Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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Hi All, As some of you may know my stepfather is building a 1966 Dodge Charger with a big block 383, here is the build thread if anyone wants to follow it. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...s-1966-dodge-charger-restification.html. We have the engine mainly together and basically all we have left is the air conditioning, condenser, and radiator. I maybe missing a couple of things, anyway our plan is to put modern air conditioning in and NOT use the big and heavy RV2 to save a bit of weight and get cooler air. We are thinking of buying the Stage 2 Performance Kit from Original Air for $850.00, here is a picture and the link. We are looking for suggestions opinions and what have you about modern air conditioning prices and such, is there anything a bit cheaper than $850.00 with what we are looking for. Anybody? Any help, knowledge etc would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone https://www.originalair.com/66-70-b...0-134a-engine-compartment-upgrade-kit-stage-2
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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Hi All, As some of you may know my stepfather is building a 1966 Dodge Charger with a big block 383, here is the build thread if anyone wants to follow it. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...s-1966-dodge-charger-restification.html. We have the engine mainly together and basically all we have left is the air conditioning, condenser, and radiator. I maybe missing a couple of things, anyway our plan is to put modern air conditioning in and NOT use the big and heavy RV2 to save a bit of weight and get cooler air. We are thinking of buying the Stage 2 Performance Kit from Original Air for $850.00, here is a picture and the link. We are looking for suggestions opinions and what have you about modern air conditioning prices and such, is there anything a bit cheaper than $850.00 with what we are looking for. Anybody? Any help, knowledge etc would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance everyone https://www.originalair.com/66-70-b...0-134a-engine-compartment-upgrade-kit-stage-2 I used about the same on my 68 Charger, rebuilt the factory ac/heater box, it will FREEZE you out, even when its 110deg outside.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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Call the makers and ask if it will fit an A/C car. I was going to scrap the A/C in my 68 Valiant but I come to find out none of the existing holes in the firewall were usable and there is no kit to replace the push button vacuum controls so I kept the old system and went new under hood. The aftermarket is geared up for non A/C cars at least in the A body so call first.
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An aftermarket AC system that will FREEZE YOU OUT ? I’ve got a bud that’s building a Willy’s that would love that option! Any aftermarket AC system we’ve ever seen is MORE than lacking
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An aftermarket AC system that will FREEZE YOU OUT ? I’ve got a bud that’s building a Willy’s that would love that option! Any aftermarket AC system we’ve ever seen is MORE than lacking Then you haven't seen many aftermarket A/C systems.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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An aftermarket AC system that will FREEZE YOU OUT ? I’ve got a bud that’s building a Willy’s that would love that option! Any aftermarket AC system we’ve ever seen is MORE than lacking I think you missed where he used the original under dash part. Doing that I agree, the compressor doesn't make that much of a difference. The under dash part makes it freeze you out. not the under hood, assuming you have a big enough condenser.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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The AC brackets are most likely Bouchillon. I'm planning on a complete aftermarket system for my '67 Barracuda convertible, but may piece some of it together. I used a Vintage Air GenV evaporator and matching in-dash electronic controller and pieced together an under hood set-up from Nostalgic A/C on my 5.9 Magnum based motor with factory serpentine belt drive. It works very well an fit nicely, as. Vintage Air does not offer an A-Body kit as of yet. I used the largest condenser that would fit in front of my radiator and had a local shop fit and crimp my A/C lines.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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An aftermarket AC system that will FREEZE YOU OUT ? I’ve got a bud that’s building a Willy’s that would love that option! Any aftermarket AC system we’ve ever seen is MORE than lacking If your buddy has room for a VintageAir MK IV under the dash, it should keep him adequately refrigerated. I have one in my Polara wagon and it will make you reach for the low cool. Kevin
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Hay guyz ... hardly an automobile AC expert here AT ALL but I’ve ridden in enuff cars with AC and nothing I’ve ever come across would freeze you out..... other than my uncles turbo diesel Jetta My 2020 Charger works well - no complaints - but a freeze out job ? ... nOpE ! You have not rode in my 68 Charger LMAO, have you seen how large the evaporator is in a stock Charger, its HUGE , about 2.5 tons yes it will freeze you out
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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Does anyone know of any places that sells what I am looking for cheaper than $850? We would spend it if we have to but we would like to find something cheaper as $850 is a bit much.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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The AC brackets are most likely Bouchillon. I'm planning on a complete aftermarket system for my '67 Barracuda convertible, but may piece some of it together. Check with them ^^^^^^^
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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I used Bouchillon brackets and pieced the rest together myself of Ebag, etc. I came in at ~400 in parts with an offshore condenser, an off brand compressor of the model Bouchillon recommends for their bracket. I used mostly barrier hose, but bent up some AL tubing to get over the core support. I built my hoses myself and had a local A/C shop crimp them.
Hardest part was getting the charge right. I ended up at 2.2lbs. I spent a couple of hundred with the A/C shop getting the charge right.
Freeze you out is right, if ambient temps are in the 70s. On par with new cars at higher ambient temps, and blows away my wife's 2103 Huyndai and my 2001 Mustang. The referenced A/C shop said the great performance was likely due to keeping the factory (large by today's standards) engineered for R-12 evaporator.
R134, Sanden "shorty" style compressor (forget the model #)
Condenser was the largest that could fit in the 26" radiator opening. I found one with the in and out ports where I wanted them for hose routing convenience. I stuck with older tech expansion valve and o-ring fittings which kept the cost down dramatically.
And, this is in a 73 Barracuda, original A/C car. I can't speak to retro-ing to a non-a/c car.
It isn't that difficult to piece together sourcing most stuff on Ebay. That said, all the research and project planning was time consuming. The 800 Kit may be your best option if noodling it thorough is a time constraint.
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Like I said the Sanden with the original evap works great .
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A friend, before he died, said he used Thermo king stuff (semi trucks) much cheaper than the others. Never followed up with him on it, wish I had now.
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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Hay guyz ... hardly an automobile AC expert here AT ALL but I’ve ridden in enuff cars with AC and nothing I’ve ever come across would freeze you out..... other than my uncles turbo diesel Jetta My 2020 Charger works well - no complaints - but a freeze out job ? ... nOpE ! You need a new a/c guy Doc. Old RV2 compressor setup charged with the right amount of r12 would freeze you out of the car. The key with the new r134 stuff is you need more cooling capacity in the condenser to make it really cold. I think the reason a lot of AC systems underperform is the water valves or blend doors don't close completely and the system has to compete with the heater. My KW has shut offs at the engine and I shut them off in the summer because with the heater set to cold you can still feel air warmer than ambient if you run the fan. Kevin
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Hay guyz ... hardly an automobile AC expert here AT ALL but I’ve ridden in enuff cars with AC and nothing I’ve ever come across would freeze you out..... other than my uncles turbo diesel Jetta My 2020 Charger works well - no complaints - but a freeze out job ? ... nOpE ! You need a new a/c guy Doc. Old RV2 compressor setup charged with the right amount of r12 would freeze you out of the car. The key with the new r134 stuff is you need more cooling capacity in the condenser to make it really cold. It's true. Those old V2 Chrysler compressors would FREEZE you out. When you start converting to newer refrigerants you really need to convert the entire system for it to work properly. My old '79 standard cab Adventurer would freeze inside the cab with the OEM system. I'd actually have to shut it off for a few minutes sometimes. Brrrrrr.
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Hay guyz ... hardly an automobile AC expert here AT ALL but I’ve ridden in enuff cars with AC and nothing I’ve ever come across would freeze you out..... other than my uncles turbo diesel Jetta My 2020 Charger works well - no complaints - but a freeze out job ? ... nOpE ! You need a new a/c guy Doc. Old RV2 compressor setup charged with the right amount of r12 would freeze you out of the car. The key with the new r134 stuff is you need more cooling capacity in the condenser to make it really cold. Condenser, if front of radiator?
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Re: Modern Air Conditioning, Anybody?
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I think we may all have different definitions of "freeze you out". When I lived in FL, I had the RV2 setup with R12, it would sure freeze up the evaporator and fog the windows, and make me nauseous when jumping into it when it was all cooled down after being all hot and sweaty (I think because of the fast 30* or so temp change). Here in CO on hot, dry days, it never performed as well as hot Southern humid days. I haven't had the current setup in a humid/sea level climate yet, it (with a larger parallel flow condenser) performs much better than it ever did with the RV2.
And, given the low relative humidity out here, I rarely even get a drip from the evap. Shooting the Evap with my laser temp gun through the one vent where there is a site line to the core, I've seen it get as low as 27* when cruising on an 80*day on the interstate.
The Sanden takes noticeably less power and drags the idle hardly at all (relatively speaking). When I weighed all the pieces parts removed and those installed, the Sanden setup was 30 lbs lighter.
All that said, I always liked the look of the RV2 right in the V of the small block.
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