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383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? #2759810 04/04/20 12:53 PM 04/04/20 12:53 PM
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RCKTMN OP enthusiast R Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 283 Massachussetts	Hello all, I am looking into replacing the water pump and timing chain in my 1970 Chrysler Newport's 383-2V. I am interested in an OEM style recommendation (this is not a performance build). Though I am not against an upgrade if it improves reliability. I drive the car coast-to-coast at times. What are good sources for a water pump and timing chain? Thank you! 1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2759817 04/04/20 01:07 PM 04/04/20 01:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,831 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,831 Kirkland, Washington	If you are just replacing old parts with new then check out Rockauto. For timing chains Cloyes has made millions of them over the years, nothing special, but nothing wrong with them either, and dirt cheap. I think Gates makes water pumps, they are a reliable brand.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2759820 04/04/20 01:15 PM 04/04/20 01:15 PM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,281 nowhere	Last time I used a parts store timing set (Cloyes) it got sloppy in a few thousand miles. I now use Edelbrock timing sets (if available) even on something as basic as a grocery getter, quality matters to me. As for water pump, I just bought a BB water pump last week, Gates brand. But I bought it to steal the impeller and use it on the water pump I am putting in my flathead 6. It looks OK, but looks aren't what matters. Others will have to chime in on this since the last one I bought and used was in 89 and that was an off the shelf made in USA pump by TRW.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: Sniper] #2759837 04/04/20 01:42 PM 04/04/20 01:42 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,813 A collage of whims	For timing chains, I like Rollmaster and they've been bulletproof for me. Water pump, I've had no problems with parts-store stuff, if the rest of the system is good.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: Sniper] #2759838 04/04/20 01:42 PM 04/04/20 01:42 PM
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RCKTMN OP enthusiast R Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 283 Massachussetts	Thanks guys. I just checked on Rockauto. Will likely order from them. On the Edelbrock site, it shows two part numbers...One for 1-bolt and the other for a 3-bolt. Forgive my ignorance, but does it matter. Is one for OEm and the other a performance/aftermarket thing. To the best of my knowledge, the engine is original. Thanks again! 1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2759848 04/04/20 01:52 PM 04/04/20 01:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,943 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,943 Grand Prairie,Texas	Single bolt for stock cam. Stock cam has the bolt in the center of the cam and gear but hipo cams can have three bolts around the gear face.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: stumpy] #2759853 04/04/20 01:58 PM 04/04/20 01:58 PM
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RCKTMN OP enthusiast R Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 283 Massachussetts	Thanks Stumpy! 1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2759912 04/04/20 02:36 PM 04/04/20 02:36 PM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,281 nowhere	As far as I know, from the factory, only the 426 and 440 6bbls had three bolt cams. So unless someone swapped in a cam you should have the single bolt setup.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: Sniper] #2759972 04/04/20 03:04 PM 04/04/20 03:04 PM
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RCKTMN OP enthusiast R Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 283 Massachussetts	Sniper, Thanks for the seconding on the bolt question. 1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2760043 04/04/20 04:17 PM 04/04/20 04:17 PM
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buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	If the timing set you're removing is actually the original, it may likely be the alum gear with nylon teeth. If it has some chunks missing, you may end up pulling oil pan for clean out. Just sayin'.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: buildanother] #2760051 04/04/20 04:49 PM 04/04/20 04:49 PM
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elmor353 super stock E Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 870 Keizer, Oregon U.S.A.	I second that. Big blocks aren't as hard on timing chains as small blocks, however, on a 50 year old engine chances are the timing chain has been changed. Won't know till you tear into it and once it's apart, replace it.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: elmor353] #2760082 04/04/20 05:50 PM 04/04/20 05:50 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	I would get a 3 keyway timing chain set & put it on the advanced keyway (no exp w Cloyes but alot of complaints on em) and a parts house pump will work fine live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RapidRobert] #2760098 04/04/20 06:27 PM 04/04/20 06:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,831 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,831 Kirkland, Washington	Originally Posted by RapidRobert I would get a 3 keyway timing chain set & put it on the advanced keyway (no exp w Cloyes but alot of complaints on em) and a parts house pump will work fine He specifically states he’s looking for OEM performance. Advancing the valve timing is a separate discussion.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2760171 04/04/20 09:20 PM 04/04/20 09:20 PM
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RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda Originally Posted by RapidRobert I would get a 3 keyway timing chain set & put it on the advanced keyway (no exp w Cloyes but alot of complaints on em) and a parts house pump will work fine He specifically states he’s looking for OEM performance. Advancing the valve timing is a separate discussion. Advancing the cam will work fine on this engine/easy to do/gains low end power, perfect for this app. live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2760206 04/04/20 11:00 PM 04/04/20 11:00 PM
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calrobb2000 top fuel C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,001 s. e. pa.	hi edelbrock for the timing chain ! G M B waterpump 120-1200 ! e bay

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: buildanother] #2760274 04/05/20 08:54 AM 04/05/20 08:54 AM
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RCKTMN OP enthusiast R Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 283 Massachussetts	Appreciate all the input. I was aware of the nylon teeth used by them to keep things quieter. The engine runs like a top. Luckily, the timing is solid. The only reason that I am looking into changing the timing chain is because my fan clutch went. Considering how it likely put a strain on the water pump, I am replacing that. With 109K on the engine (which I believe hasn't been opened up, yet), it seemed like good preventative medicine to do the timing chain now. I will definitely yank the motor out and check the pan if I notice that its timing chain's nylon teeth has deteriorated/fallen apart. Thanks again for all the suggestions/recommendations. 1970 Barracuda Convertible 1970 Newport Convertible 1970 Satellite Convertible 1974 'Cuda shell - '71 conversion 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass w/455 2003 RAM3500 CTD 2007 Caliber R/T AWD 2007 Magnum SRT-8 2016 Chrysler Town & Country

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2760283 04/05/20 09:18 AM 04/05/20 09:18 AM
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70Duster top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,642 PA	With only 109,000 miles, and as long as the timing is solid, I'd leave the timing chain alone. And as far as the faulty fan clutch putting strain on the water pump is concerned, I don't believe that's an issue of any significance. Cars have run for years without fan clutches without premature water pump failure. I've just seen too many times someone trying to fix what isn't broken....replacing good original parts with off-shore quality new parts that aren't near as good as the originals, and now all of a sudden they have issues.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: RCKTMN] #2760291 04/05/20 09:40 AM 04/05/20 09:40 AM
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3hundred I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,228 Colleyville	Originally Posted by RCKTMN Appreciate all the input. I was aware of the nylon teeth used by them to keep things quieter. The engine runs like a top. Luckily, the timing is solid. The only reason that I am looking into changing the timing chain is because my fan clutch went. Considering how it likely put a strain on the water pump, I am replacing that. With 109K on the engine (which I believe hasn't been opened up, yet), it seemed like good preventative medicine to do the timing chain now. I will definitely yank the motor out and check the pan if I notice that its timing chain's nylon teeth has deteriorated/fallen apart. Thanks again for all the suggestions/recommendations. Here's a pic from a low mileage 383, this is why to replace it now, they get old, they get brittle. I've seen at least two ads for Edelbrock timing sets that say by Cloyes? I dunno if it's a mistake or true, but the Edelbrock seems to be a lot cheaper than any of the Cloyes I saw. Additionally I didn't see any single bolt sprocket Cloyes, all three bolt sprockets. '68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: 3hundred] #2760301 04/05/20 09:59 AM 04/05/20 09:59 AM
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Sniper master S Joined: May 2019 Posts: 6,281 nowhere	Not sure where you are looking but RockAuto lists three timing sets for the B/RB made by Cloyes. Both of the single bolt ones are cheaper than Edelbrock, one is under $25, and it is obvious that the Edelbrock single bolt set is not a Cloyes one. Cloyes uses a slot for the alignment pin whereas Edelbrock uses a hole. The one Cloyes three bolt at RA is more expensive but it is also obvious that the Edelbrock one isn't a Cloyes either.

Re: 383 Water Pump/Timing Chain ? ? ? [Re: Sniper] #2760310 04/05/20 10:32 AM 04/05/20 10:32 AM
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3hundred I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,228 Colleyville	Here's where I found that: https://pitstopusa.com/i-23912101-edelbrock-performer-link-by-cloyes-timing-chain.html https://www.walmart.com/ip/Edelbrock-7804-Performer-Link-By-Cloyes-Timing-Chain-Set/132589115 I've no idea whether it's true or not. Interested because I'm about to do the same project on my low mileage '69. '68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi

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