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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: Marq] #27458
04/25/07 09:42 PM
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Hey Marq, Man the Black really does look good on that car and until you Mocked that up I never really thought about a two-tone job, but you're right it certainly adds something to the body style. I hadn't really realized until your mock up how much that black molding really cuts the body in half all the way around the car. Not to mention it has a red stripe molded into it on the the sides, I'll have to restripe the sections on the bumpers. My only concern with black is how good my prep will be since this is my first venture into body work, but the car is pretty straight except for a few dings here and there. I attached the original pic I used for those photoshops to this post. were you thinking yellow upper and black lower on that bumble-bee look?

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Hey Probe, Good luck with anything sliver. I was using it to 2 tone my dodge truck and the blue I used came out nice. The silver SUCKED literally. I couldn't get a good even coat on it even after coat # 10. I am now converting the truck to all blue.

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here is another shot of it.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: ramman16248] #27461
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regarding modern flat paint jobs, this car came to mind

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Porsche/EDAG_Porsche_SUV_DV_06_DAS_03.jpg

the EDAG porsche, in what really looked like a flat anozided finish, i saw it in a person and it looked pretty cool

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: ramman16248] #27462
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The rustoleum aluminum dries totally flat- no gloss whatsoever. It does look good with clear over it though. Unfortunately as others have found out you can't get rustoleum clear in anything other than aerosols. I called customer service (3 times, you never know who you will get) and they all had the same story- not available in quarts or gallons.

Might have to try an acrylic lacquer like this
Acrylic Lacquer clear coat
but it would have to be sprayed on.

In my quest to find or make a silver rustoleum rollable paint I have tried to add silver pearl to grey rustoluem. Looks amazing until the paint dries at which point most of the pearl sinks to the bottom due I think to the extended dry time.

If anyone wants to experiment with the pearl try this link
Pearl additive - great price

The guy ships really fast and one 150 gram bag is enough for a couple gallons.

One last thing, this place seems to have metallic enamels Metallic Enamels

But some of the solid colors seem to contain LEAD!? kind of scary.

I will keep experimenting for a metallic enamel and post if I get any results.

Nathan

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The rustoleum aluminum dries totally flat- no gloss whatsoever. It does look good with clear over it though. Unfortunately as others have found out you can't get rustoleum clear in anything other than aerosols. I called customer service (3 times, you never know who you will get) and they all had the same story- not available in quarts or gallons.

Might have to try an acrylic lacquer like this
Acrylic Lacquer clear coat
but it would have to be sprayed on.

In my quest to find or make a silver rustoleum rollable paint I have tried to add silver pearl to grey rustoluem. Looks amazing until the paint dries at which point most of the pearl sinks to the bottom due I think to the extended dry time.

If anyone wants to experiment with the pearl try this link
Pearl additive - great price

The guy ships really fast and one 150 gram bag is enough for a couple gallons.

One last thing, this place seems to have metallic enamels Metallic Enamels

But some of the solid colors seem to contain LEAD!? kind of scary.

I will keep experimenting for a metallic enamel and post if I get any results.

Nathan




Too bad you don't live in canada!!!! tremclad makes clear in a aresol, and quarts/liquid/brush on!!!

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If I do a two-tone like Marq suggested it will be with a grey not a silver. I've read to many horror stories on here about that aluminum color to even consider attempting that. Since I'll only have a little more than a week to do this I dont think I'll be doing anything that resembles "experimentation" I had thought of going with a white base and a dark(Ford) blue old school stripe(like the beer fridge) toward the passenger side. But then again it requires that much more prep to tape off and paint the stripe. Although I don't have a lot of time to do this, I don't want to be in a position where I have to "rush" the actual paintjob just to include something fancy.

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after trying the roller method with gloss black and driving myself nuts trying to get rid of the little swirly marks, I sanded it all off and sprayed it flat black and I'm really glad I did. I love the look of the flat and it seems like wherever I take my car now, people stop and ask me about it and comment on the cool paint job, so I think the public is ready for flat paints.

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One trick you can do with the two tone paint job is that with the dark gray on the bottom you can AVOID doing the final 'perfecting' it stage and just get it to a final wet sand stage.... THEN you go and buy a can of that clear plastic gravel guard coating AND paint the entire lower gray area with the Gravel Guard stuff. This will give you both protection for the paint from road chips AND a shiny clear pliable no maintenance plastic coating protecting the gray.

As for your comment about fearing the 'extra' work that you black area would require... well think of it this way :

a ) you just saved work on how 'perfect' you will have to make the gray area because of the gravel guard coating... and

b ) the black areas are probably not as subject to chips and dents as the lower gray area. The roof should be very easy to to get prepped for black painting ( and after all - who really takes a microscope to check out people's roofs.

The hood would probably be the main area where you would spend the maximum time seeking perfection in the surface... and if the hood is such a disaster that the work inspires fear... well you can probably buy a used hood or a replacement hood that will cut the prep work down quite a bit and not end up costing you an arm or a leg.

OR as another option... DO THE HOOD only in FLAT BLACK. This would give the hood that currently hot 'carbon fiber' type look that you see on many of the 'rice car' racers. The flat paint on the hood would not visually amplify any imperfections.

The other upper areas are probably easy to get up to a 'black prepped' stage... since they are in the most easily accessible areas of the car to work on.

On the topic of that bumblebee yellow & black paint job... I would think that the black should go on the bottom and the flaming yellow go on the upper sections. The lower section in black will lower the appearance of the car and the brilliant yellow on the upper section will stealth the appearance of the car so that when it drives by people, they will not be able to instantly identify it as a Probe. Instead they will say " What the heck was that ? ! ? "...

And just to annoy people, remove all traces of Ford badging off the car just to keep them guessing

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There are alkyd oil based clears such as Rustoleum's "Varathane" spar varnish that are available in quarts and gallons in the USA. Might even improve UV protection of the paint. Also, wouldn't a lacquer clear cause lifting the the rustoleum???

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All of the "clear" oil based varnishes are yellow to very yellow in color.

I don't see why an acrylic lacquer would lift the enamel.

Any one have any opinions as to whether this is possible?

Nathan

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #27469
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Yeah I know you guys in Canada can get the tremclad in clear.

Have you tried it? How clear is it?

Wonder if it would be possible to get some shipped here.

Nathan

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: 1BAD68] #27470
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That 68 Charger in flat black looks sweet. I'm thinking of doing the same with my 70 Challenger.

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Unfortunately as others have found out you can't get rustoleum clear in anything other than aerosols. I called customer service (3 times, you never know who you will get) and they all had the same story- not available in quarts or gallons.






Rustolem has a clear in gallons in the Industrial line 7400 system. It's available through industrial vendors like Grainger & Fastenal.


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I looked on graingers site and I don't see anything in clear in the 7400 system-

Would you happen to have a part number?

Thanks,

Nathan

Rustolem has a clear in gallons in the Industrial line 7400 system. It's available through industrial vendors like Grainger & Fastenal.



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after trying the roller method with gloss black and driving myself nuts trying to get rid of the little swirly marks, I sanded it all off and sprayed it flat black and I'm really glad I did. I love the look of the flat and it seems like wherever I take my car now, people stop and ask me about it and comment on the cool paint job, so I think the public is ready for flat paints.





Can you tell me what paint you used to spray with? How did you finish it, or did you just spray and go?

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED [Re: 1BAD68] #27474
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after trying the roller method with gloss black and driving myself nuts trying to get rid of the little swirly marks, I sanded it all off and sprayed it flat black and I'm really glad I did. I love the look of the flat and it seems like wherever I take my car now, people stop and ask me about it and comment on the cool paint job, so I think the public is ready for flat paints.





Dude! First Quentin Tarantino steals my flat black paint idea for the Death Proof Charger, and now YOU TOO!

I have a '68 that I was planning on doing in flat/matt/satin black. Thanks for the pic.

I'll be practicing rolling the hood of my lawnmower next weekend to see how the Rustolem turns out. I was going to try both semi-gloss and flat to see which looks better.

I'm wondering if I can get away with no sanding between coats. I would think that a flat or semi-gloss wouldn't need any surface roughing for adhesion from one coat to the next.

Steve C.

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Can you tell me what paint you used to spray with? How did you finish it, or did you just spray and go?




Out of frustration I just went to Autozone and bought DupliColor automotive flat black in the spray cans (about $5 per can) I think I used 8 cans. It probably isn't a good long term paint but its good for the summer. I like it so much that I'm going to find out what flat black auto paint would work as more of a permanent finish and repaint it next winter.

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Rustoleum part number 717402

http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=219&SBL=2

You know, I looked in our grainger catalog and I didn't see a part number listed. hmmm

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Rustoleum part number 717402

http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=219&SBL=2

You know, I looked in our grainger catalog and I didn't see a part number listed. hmmm




They have it here Rustoleum clear

Just ordered a gallon, We'll see how it goes!

Thanks,

Nathan

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