converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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My steering box has a little bit of slop in it, so while the engine is out of my car, now is the time to replace it. I'm looking at converting the car to manual steering to free up a little more room around my headers and for better road feel. What's the best steering box to go with? I was looking at the flaming river 16:1. Is there a better choice? I've read that some people were saying that the flaming river box added a bunch of weight since it was made out of cast iron.
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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Compared to the power steering system you are taking out the cast iron manual box is still a weight loss. It is only a weight gain if you already had stock manual steering. Lares lists new 16:1 boxes, I can only find the 24:1 boxes now. FF has rebuilt boxes, for more than the new Lares box. Another options to think on, consider the Borgeson power box KIT Bergman sells, he's got it sorted and it is smaller than the stock power box, not sure how it compares size wise to the manual box.
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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I installed a flaming river 16:1 - I ended up regretted it While it had great feel, driving hard on my favorite twisty road was problematic - very high steering effort required I drove my buddies mopar on the same road with the stock manual box and it was much better - they had it figured out back then
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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Just curious, How much effort does the 16:1 manual require? I've had an issue with my power steering pump, so I've been driving mine with the 16:1 ratio power steering without the the belt hooked up. I'm assuming the effort would be the same right? If so, I have no issue with it, as the extra effort doesn't bother me now.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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Has anybody had any interference issues with headers when using the flaming river box?
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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Has anybody had any interference issues with headers when using the flaming river box? I looked at a dart with a 440 in it, tti headers and flaming river box. ugly! one pipe was smashed almost closed to clear the box. looked like the box moves higher up in the chassis and in this case had big time header problems. cast manifolds may not be as big of a problem. anyhow, i'd do a factory box and not have the headache. aren't those flaming river boxes chevy boxes that have been "adapted" to bolt to a mopar k-member?
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I installed a flaming river 16:1 - I ended up regretted it While it had great feel, driving hard on my favorite twisty road was problematic - very high steering effort required I drove my buddies mopar on the same road with the stock manual box and it was much better - they had it figured out back then Yup..nothing beats factory oem engineering.
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Wouldn't the 16:1 manual box require the same amount of effort as the factory power box with the pump not being used? I don't mind it at all with the amount of effort required. Just curious as to how much of a difference, if any, there is between the two.
1973 Cuda 528 all aluminum Hemi, 4 speed, 3.23 Sure-Grip,
(JA5) Silver Frost Metallic
1973 Challenger Rallye 340
1985 W150 Power Ram prospector
1986 Camaro IROC-Z 305 tpi
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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Wouldn't the 16:1 manual box require the same amount of effort as the factory power box with the pump not being used? I don't mind it at all with the amount of effort required. Just curious as to how much of a difference, if any, there is between the two. Manual cars come with larger diameter steering wheels for more leverage and different alignment specifications for a bit of help with low speed steering, so no the effort is not the same.
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Wouldn't the 16:1 manual box require the same amount of effort as the factory power box with the pump not being used? I don't mind it at all with the amount of effort required. Just curious as to how much of a difference, if any, there is between the two. Manual cars come with larger diameter steering wheels for more leverage and different alignment specifications for a bit of help with low speed steering, so no the effort is not the same. ...and I honestly thought I’d heard it all....
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Wouldn't the 16:1 manual box require the same amount of effort as the factory power box with the pump not being used? I don't mind it at all with the amount of effort required. Just curious as to how much of a difference, if any, there is between the two. Manual cars come with larger diameter steering wheels for more leverage and different alignment specifications for a bit of help with low speed steering, so no the effort is not the same. ...and I honestly thought I’d heard it all.... Why don't you go look it up then
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Re: converting to manual steering, best manual steering box?
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I have been running the Flaming River 16 to 1 box for multiple years.. Yes, it does require some muscle when parking but on the road and moving all is well. Also if running radial tires this requires additional effort as well, note that I did have Firm Feel build me 16 to 1 box that leaked badly and I pulled it out, installing the Flaming River box. Just my $0.02...
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