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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: MadMopars] #2738717
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Putting a filter directly after the pump is a no no cos the pump is already filtered by the 100 micron pre filter. The 40 or whatever size after filter needs to be close to the carb to catch the fuel line material that slowly breaks down or any crap in general in the system.......


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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: sixpackgut] #2738718
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The magnaflow setup seems like the best design for the type of application that you are talking about. (assuming a person is still willing to use a carb for a car that is driven a lot)
The magnaflow has a return line off the pump so the fuel line to the front of the car is running at 30 psi. 30 psi is high enough that there will not be any issue with vapor lock. Then there is a small non-return style regulator near the carb that drops the pressure to 6 psi. That final length of 6 psi line should be short enough that it doesn't vapor lock. My guess is that type of setup would be able to handle most any type of fuel and weather conditions.

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Originally Posted by sixpackgut
Originally Posted by dvw
Why does the fuel get hot? Routing or pump stalling? Pump stall is alleviated by the rear bypass or running the pump on a PWM signal. Routing is easy enough to cure. You will see even most OEM's have eliminated tank return.
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Im sure you realize that efi does not have the same problems as the increased pressure raises the boiling point

And Im not sure how many guys here have ever driven their cars for 8 hours straight across states.

Yes, it gets somewhat warm in Michigan. I drove my barracuda there, i also drove to TX, LA, OK, MO,KS,TN,OH,AR,IN,IL,KY to name a few



Come on Ray you've been here it doesn't get that hot in Illinois. Lol Gateway I believe can be almost as hot as hot can get.

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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: AndyF] #2738743
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I have that system its not really vapor lock. the fuel is actually boiling right out of the carburetor and yes I have a wooden spacer. I did many different tests with it.and the ethanol is the key problem any non ethanol was fine. I could let the car run in the drive way and once the car got warm which sometimes the engine wouldn't be over 175 and I would start missing and pop the hood and you would see it first start spitting out the squirters then it would start over flowing out the vent tubes like a volcano. if you pop the hood quick enough it would get the heat off the carburetor and would run fine. Since I put it the return in it has helped 100 %

Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: BradH] #2738947
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I'm deaf, blind, overweight, going bald, and turned 60 last year... sounds like the perfect combination of traits for a co-pilot to me.


Well, you wouldn't have had to worry about my fuel system


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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: AndyF] #2738983
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Originally Posted by AndyF
The magnaflow setup seems like the best design for the type of application that you are talking about. (assuming a person is still willing to use a carb for a car that is driven a lot)
The magnaflow has a return line off the pump so the fuel line to the front of the car is running at 30 psi. 30 psi is high enough that there will not be any issue with vapor lock. Then there is a small non-return style regulator near the carb that drops the pressure to 6 psi. That final length of 6 psi line should be short enough that it doesn't vapor lock. My guess is that type of setup would be able to handle most any type of fuel and weather conditions.


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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: Wirenut] #2739279
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Originally Posted by Wirenut
Originally Posted by sixpackgut
Im 8 up 10 back to tank with reg after the carb. Mallory 140 with their regulator. Been running this setup on past 2 cars for 15 years. No other way I would do it


This is the correct way to do it. Return should be larger than the feed , reg before the carb .
This is how mine is done and as prescribed Magna.


Aeromotive doesn't agree w/ this. Not saying one is better than the other, just pointing this out. When I designed my system I called them to make sure I was on the right track. They recommended a -10 feed and -8 return.

On the street you need the fuel circulating from the carb back to the tank. The short returns from the bigger pumps back at the tank won't work real well on the street. That long stretch of fuel the length of the car needs to circulate to keep it cool.


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Yep, and I tried the return deal on their hot rod pump and it couldn't keep up and went a best of 9.98 then switched to the MAGNAFUEL 300 and went 9.79......

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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: Thumperdart] #2739311
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Originally Posted by Thumperdart
Yep, and I tried the return deal on their hot rod pump and it couldn't keep up and went a best of 9.98 then switched to the MAGNAFUEL 300 and went 9.79......

I don't think the Aeromotive 11203 hot rod/street rod pump flows enough fuel to feed a 9 sec car w/ a return style system. It works fine deadheaded though. I went 9.54 at 140+ mph w/ that pump and a single -8 line deadheaded.


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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2739336
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted by Thumperdart
Yep, and I tried the return deal on their hot rod pump and it couldn't keep up and went a best of 9.98 then switched to the MAGNAFUEL 300 and went 9.79......

I don't think the Aeromotive 11203 hot rod/street rod pump flows enough fuel to feed a 9 sec car w/ a return style system. It works fine deadheaded though. I went 9.54 at 140+ mph w/ that pump and a single -8 line deadheaded.

Not likely my Mallory 140 can support a return setup, either. Guess I'll leave it as it is until I consider a fuel system upgrade in the future.

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Agree but it said it supportes x amount of power deadheaded and x amount more iirc returned back to the tank.....


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Originally Posted by Thumperdart
Agree but it said it supportes x amount of power deadheaded and x amount more iirc returned back to the tank.....

Says it supports 750 hp carbureted on gasoline. Don't see anything saying the "horsepower rating" changes whether deadhead or return style. It fed my car just fine, so there's no reason it shouldn't have fed your car easily unless you have a restriction somewhere else in your system...OR, if like I said earlier, a return style system just requires a larger pump to keep up w/ demand.


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Re: Bypass type fuel systems (Carb)... Thoughts? [Re: Thumperdart] #2739364
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Just because you have a return style regulator, does not mean you are always returning fuel. I see no reason why a pump that is maxed out on a dead head regulator would not supply the engine with the same amount of fuel with a return style regulator.


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Originally Posted by TRENDZ
Just because you have a return style regulator, does not mean you are always returning fuel. I see no reason why a pump that is maxed out on a dead head regulator would not supply the engine with the same amount of fuel with a return style regulator.


If the return regulator stops returning it's because the fuel pressure has dropped below the setting, & that means the pump volume is to low.


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Yes. In other words.... maxed out.
So regulator style would supply the same amount of fuel to the engine.


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I read something that said it would support like 700+ hp deadheaded and like 900 w/a return but I don't remember exactly where I read that and it was years ago..........Hell, maybe I was drunk.....


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Originally Posted by sixpackgut
Eddie Miller went 8.50s in 06 and 7.9x in 08 with 2 holley blue pumps. And one was dangling only held in place by the fuel line


And he was also pumping methanol from an alternative source 😏


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Fuel pump must have the internal bypass disabled to run bypass regulator

On a mallory 140, there is a screw with jam nut, you remove the pressure spring just like a bb mopar oil pump and put in a solid spacer so the pump is on kill at all times


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Originally Posted by TRENDZ
Originally Posted by sixpackgut
Eddie Miller went 8.50s in 06 and 7.9x in 08 with 2 holley blue pumps. And one was dangling only held in place by the fuel line


And he was also pumping methanol from an alternative source 😏


No he wasnt. I was his copilot. I dont know where that comes from


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I was pitted next to you In 2006. Your windshield washer bottle seemed awfully important to be filled between rounds. “direct port water injection nozzles”😂
I was also the guy that gave you the hose you needed to continue to next round.
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