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I've found (with the Brightside) that you can apply a lot of pressure (like A LOT) to get the paint to come off the roller nicely.
I also found that you should work the paint out with like 10 passes over the same spot before you move on. I guess it's 'cos even the high density foam doesn't mean that the entire area will get paint on it.
Both of these methods seemed to work well after the first coat or two. Before that and it comes out like a load of dots.
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Rollering upside down ?
Has anyone used this method to do the underside floorpan of your car ?
or I guess any underside of a front hood , rocker panel etc.
How did it work out ?
I just do not see how it will "self level" when you are doing this upside down,
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Man thats a nice car. Yeah white is most forgiving of blems, you could use an off white though so it doesn't look too much like a fleet white paint job IMO, but any white would look good on that car.
thanks, it needs some work, but i have to get rid of it...my other project is a 68 rs/ss camaro i am setting up for protouring....wasnt wise for me to pick this one up....i have advertised it a bit, but i figure if i paint it, it will sell faster. plus, i have to try the technique out, if it works, i will do my camaro too.
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Well, I think I am getting this down... I sanded the roof way down. Wet sanded with 150 and got all the orange peel out.
I got it down to a real smooth flat surface that looks much more like the intended results. probably the equivalent of 3-4 good coats. It took a lot of wet sanding to get it flat and smooth though.
I don't know how I got it on too thick. I measured to the right ratio and it looked right. I think the foam roller might have been an issue. I used a very dense one and I think maybe it didn't spread the paint real well. I also guess that the mineral spirits are evaporating as the paint sits in the tray. So maybe it gets thicker from evaporation as time passes? Needing re-thinning?
I'll try again tomorrow and measure to get the right consistency. Trying a less dense roller too.
I think if I can get a couple more smooth flat coats, I'll have it. Then can let harden and color sand.
There are definitely a lot of variables to control for.
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With the rustoleum, about how many passes do you make over the same spot with the roller per coat? Do you overlap your passes as you go or not?
Also, are you guys mixing the paint in a regular metal roller tray, like you would for painting a room in a house or do these cause bubbles? If not, are you using something else?
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Hi guys, I posted on this thread a real long time ago. I'm painting a '92 BMW 325is with fire red brightside paint and I have a few questions about technique. I started on a replacement bumper and nose panel that are not on the car before winter came, and haven't had much time to do anything because of the cold. Now that it seems to be warming up wet again I'm trying to get this project finished. Do you suggest thinning the brightside paint? I've been using it straight out of the can and it seems to have worked fairly well, but when it was cold it definitely built up a lot of brushing lines and whatnot. I'm also have a lot of trouble figuring out how to wetsand properly. I put 2 coats on both the bumper and nose panel, sanded with 320 grit, but that made it so I could see the primer through the paint in a lot of spots. After that I decided to try and do 3 more coats before the next sand. Even with that I could still see a little bit of the coating that came on the bumper and nose panel =\. After wet sanding the nose panel today with 1000 grit, little bits of black are showing through again. I don't know if I'm sanding too much or what. I just try to sand until the surface of the paint seems very smooth to the touch and I don't see much glossy bits left. Basically, is there a better suggestion for applying and sanding brightside paint? How much should I be sanding down, until it's perfectly smooth or what? I need to get this thing going  Here are some pics of my nosepanel, this was wetsanded today with 1000 grit but I didn't really finish since it got dark outside:   This is the bumper. It had 2 coats, 1 320grit sand, then 3 more coats. The pics don't really show the detail, it is very rough.   
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It's hard to convey how thin this paint has to be laid down IMHO. It ain't like painting a wall with latex or anything remotely like rolling other paint. To get a really flat smooth surface I had to ring the roller out pretty good in the pan and press very hard to flatten the paint out across the surface. I went from getting big 1/4" dia bubbles to pressing them hard to about pin head size bubbles then a light pass with the roller again and they're gone.
Thin coat on top of thin coat seems to be working and the results look encouraging. I'm still working on eliminating the roller lines.
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It seems like the key to this is not worrying *too* much about how smooth the paint goes on but making sure that the paint is going on thick enough so that it can be easily sanded without any issues. You obviously still want to make it as smooth as possible since that makes sanding a lot easier. Am I right in thinking of it this way? That just makes the most sense to me. I'm going to try a couple of new techniques while rolling my next coat. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
PS - What kind of rollers are you guys using? I'm using little white 'roller foam' brand 4-6 inch rollers, and they leave behind a billion little bubbles (even if I use the double roller method).
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I did a little experiment here at work...we painted one side of a steel door with a brush and the other side with a roller. Both sides painted full strength Rustoleum one coat. The brush side had slightly better gloss than the roller side. The brush side went on a little thicker, probably why it has more gloss. After 24hrs the roller side was mostly dry, the brush side was a bit tacky in places. After 2 weeks the roller side is hard as nails, the brush side can still be dented with a finger nail in places. Otherwise we didn't have any problems with adhesion. We did minimal prep, washed with a grease cutter, and didn't sand. Looks pretty good for a 20 minute job. I'm looking forward to hitting a test panel at home now that the weather is warming up. 
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It doesn't seem to take much paint before you start getting orange peel pretty good. That is why I think a thin application is a must. You recall how hard the guys are saying this paint drys? Yeah, it takes a lot of sanding to get back to a smooth flat surface.
I really think a thin coat and minimal sanding is the way to go.
I use both the firm white rollers and the yellow ones and don't see a difference. I have been getting a little paint on the roller and pressing in out on the car. I take the semi dry roller and press pretty hard to spread the paint. Then finally very lightly with just the weight of the roller to finish the bubbles off. I find that by looking at a very low angle across the surface I can see pretty easily if the bubbles are pressed out or not.
This leaves me with a pretty flat surface, but...
I am having trouble getting the roller marks out. I have some lines where I overlap the roller and have a hell of a time getting rid of these. Any ideas? Will they wet sand out? Could this be because the roof is so [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] big I can't get all the way across it in one arm's length?
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Interlux recommends applying their paint with a roller, then smoothing out with a high-quality brush.
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So far the results of my tests have shown that the brush actually comes out smoother than the roller  . I used a semi-expensive Purdy 2" brush, and when it settled down I didn't have any brush strokes in the paint.
I just used a cheepie nylon bristol brush...lots of brush marks, but it's shinny!
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It seems like the key to this is not worrying *too* much about how smooth the paint goes on but making sure that the paint is going on thick enough so that it can be easily sanded without any issues. You obviously still want to make it as smooth as possible since that makes sanding a lot easier. Am I right in thinking of it this way? That just makes the most sense to me. I'm going to try a couple of new techniques while rolling my next coat. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
PS - What kind of rollers are you guys using? I'm using little white 'roller foam' brand 4-6 inch rollers, and they leave behind a billion little bubbles (even if I use the double roller method).
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I've known people who've done the roller job for years back home on thier beaters... What they would do for bubbles is wrap the roller in a piece of their moms pantyhose and apply the paint like that... 
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