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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: J_BODY] #2690173
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I am not sure if this has been covered but Mopar doesn't have a great track record at producing good performance parts or maybe more accurately good quality control - think cracking W2s, poor castings on W5s and don't forget the poor machining on Stage 6's. Looking in the 2001 Mopar Performance catalog there were 50 different blocks, 63 different heads and 44 different intakes available! While that was great for the builder, it doesn't make much business sense - your not going to sell a lot of any of them. If they would limit to a couple of Hemi, BB & Sb blocks a small variety of heads, I think that they could do better. They need to price them right and deliver a good product and by the way NO ONE should have to wait 6 months for parts to be built! I know most businesses follow the same program today - don't keep anything on the shelf - for accounting reasons but what do you think make Amazon, Jegs, Summit so successful? They have it on the shelf and can ship right away - no secret formula - but the opposite of what most manufacturer's do these days. Find a good foundry - something that Chrysler always seems to have problems with, a good machine shop and pay them on time - I have always heard that Chrysler is notorious for late payment. You can get aftermarket Buick & Olds blocks but these come from aftermarket sources. Maybe Andy is right, Chrysler should have stayed out of it and let the aftermarket fill the void. Edelbrock seems to be selling a lot of Chrysler heads...
It seems to me that I recall a time when Mopar Performance was one of the only Chrysler divisions that was making a profit - what happened? I realize that Chrysler's main focus is building and selling new cars and the Performance part is a very small percentage of their overall profits. Sorry, I just had to rant about this.

Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: J_BODY] #2690178
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Originally Posted by J_BODY
I’m into the R3/W8 Stage..... it’ll be my last hurrah.

Not all heros wear capes..... up

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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: tubtar] #2690238
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I could be wrong, but I don't see the gen 2 hemi dying out. It'll just get more expensive to build a "mild" one b/c you'll end up having to buy a billet block unless someone other than Bulldog and Indy step up. Look at all the fast drag cars...most are running blown/turbo billet hemis. Still a Gen 2 engine for the most part.


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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: 68hemiss] #2690239
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Originally Posted by 68hemiss
what happened?


Performance was handed off to Accessories management, then not coincidentally the most profitable Performance parts
were gradually migrated to Accessory part numbers. This action alone made Performance as a whole appear to be an unprofitable waste of time
and gave Accessories a giant surge in sales.

(the most profitable items being those that can be rolled into a new car payment).

Although I have to say the list is long...this is probably not a topic anyone would want to get me started on (at least, not without
an Alcoholic beverage of some sort readily available), that's probably the biggest factor right there.







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Originally Posted by Transman
As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.

Why, no clue but they are looking for them.

Maybe they disappeared - that wouldn’t surprise me.
Question is, who would take them ?


NASA doesn't have the prints to the Saturn 5 rocket anymore either.

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Originally Posted by Airwoofer
Originally Posted by Transman
As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.

Why, no clue but they are looking for them.

Maybe they disappeared - that wouldn’t surprise me.
Question is, who would take them ?


NASA doesn't have the prints to the Saturn 5 rocket anymore either.


I can't think of a single person who is contemplating building a Saturn V rocket either.
Go figure.

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Originally Posted by sasquatch
I did hear today that Bill Mitchell is getting their stuff in one sock to make some more.
Todd


I sent him $500 deposit several months ago....................


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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: ZIPPY] #2690437
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
Originally Posted by 68hemiss
what happened?




Although I have to say the list is long...this is probably not a topic anyone would want to get me started on (at least, not without
an Alcoholic beverage of some sort readily available), that's probably the biggest factor right there.


.....this alone makes we want to fly to MI for a weekend, pack a cooler of cold ones, and let Zippy tell his tale!

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Originally Posted by 68hemiss
Looking in the 2001 Mopar Performance catalog there were 50 different blocks, 63 different heads and 44 different intakes available! While that was great for the builder, it doesn't make much business sense - your not going to sell a lot of any of them. If they would limit to a couple of Hemi, BB & Sb blocks a small variety of heads, I think that they could do better. They need to price them right and deliver a good product and by the way NO ONE should have to wait 6 months for parts to be built!


My engine guy tried to get MP to build a basic R3 block for serious engine builders, basic two bolt main caps that would later be tossed, small bores, blank lifter bosses, etc. I'm not sure the average guy would want that, but the top of the line engine builders might just want a basic block as a starting point. The MP guys at PRI didn't agree, I'd bet most of those guys are long gone. That was before they moved it from Indy to Orlando, so that was probably 10 years or more ago.

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The last few years that I was at PRI, Mopar Performance wasn't even there!

Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: J_BODY] #2690666
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Originally Posted by J_BODY
I’m into the R3/W8 Stage..... it’ll be my last hurrah.


Tell you what , they have really impressed this guy, those W8/9 heads run well.


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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem. [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2690667
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
I could be wrong, but I don't see the gen 2 hemi dying out. It'll just get more expensive to build a "mild" one b/c you'll end up having to buy a billet block unless someone other than Bulldog and Indy step up. Look at all the fast drag cars...most are running blown/turbo billet hemis. Still a Gen 2 engine for the most part.


I agree, But I don't think the price will exceed the ratio it is now to other type of engines.,example if it cost 40% more to build a 526ci G2 then a 540 BBC I don't think that ratio will change.
I can say I've seen more G2's in the last few years then I did in the 90s

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1963 Thunderbolt 496FE 10.80 (still a work in progress)
1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE
1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph
1993 Lightning 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA
1996 Viper GTS
2001 Lightning 8.99 @ 155MPH 5.4 Mod Motor
2009 Ram 9.65@144MPH 463CI G3 NA
2010 Challenger 9.91 @ 139MPH 408CI G3ci NA
2019 F150 (local dealer's Lightning package) ..11.90s

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