Well Darn!!! problem found
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Today I was changing the oil in my Dart and after it all drained out I cut a slim strip of a clean rag and pit it on a wire to reach in the drain plug hole and wipe the bottom of the pan. I didn't find anything alarming but what I did find is that the pick tube is loose in the (SB) oil pump. When I put it up for the winter the oil pressure was still 60 psi hot at cruise and 30 psi at idle so I don't think anything is hurt. The engine will have to come out so I can fix it. I'm thinking that I'll fab some sort of tab to one of the main studs to prevent this from happening again, plus I'll check the bearings while the pan is off. I've built several small blocks over the years and never had this issue.
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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You may be able to drop the pan by supporting the engine with a 6×4 long enough to span the inner fenderwells, and use tie down straps to hold the motor up so you can drop the k frame enough to get the pan off. I haven't done it with all the stock steering gear still in place, so it might require dropping the drag link and disconecting the steering wheel. This is assuming you have a stock k frame of course😀
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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How deep is the pan.. sounds like a lot of work to drop the pan.. I dont have to do anything to drop my pan with struts.. pull the pan bolts and it can fall off
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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I had the same problem a few years ago on my old 360. Lost oil pressure under any acceleration or braking. A friend of mine and i pulled the motor, fixed it, and put it back in about 4-5 hours. Not my idea of fun but we looked at getting the milodon pan off in the car and it was quickly apparent that pulling the engine would be the easiest thing to do.
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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I had the same problem a few years ago on my old 360. Lost oil pressure under any acceleration or braking. A friend of mine and i pulled the motor, fixed it, and put it back in about 4-5 hours. Not my idea of fun but we looked at getting the milodon pan off in the car and it was quickly apparent that pulling the engine would be the easiest thing to do. Yep, I have a Milodon pan too. I've looked it over and think pulling it is the best move. Mike if it had a strut front the pan would already be off.
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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This why I always trim the K frame now. Oil pan slides right out. Doug Hind sight is always 20/20. Had I thought about it I would've trimmed and boxed the K member before I painted it 10 years ago. Live and learn I suppose.
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Re: Well Darn!!!
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What year Dart? I've removed more than one oil pan off of the 1967 and later A bodies with273,318, 340 and probably a 360 C.I.or two with the motor in the car, drop the steering center link, idler arm and passenger side tie rod and slide them out of your way and remove the oil pan bolts up to remove the oil pan I've also heard bad things about Milidon welded extended oil pick up for their deep center sump pan breaking the welds
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Re: Well Darn!!! problem found
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The Milodon pick up tubes seem to be pretty fragile.
I had a BB one break just about like that while I was installing it.
Whatever they’re using for the threaded area seems to be thinner and more brittle than the OE type of tube.
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This one broke off in the block on my hemi a year ago. Been in there for years so all I could think of was vibration? Broke off in the same place as yours. I used one of the extractors that had a square end on it to remove it. A little different than an easy out.
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Re: Well Darn!!! problem found
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there are tools that act like easy outs that are for extracting pipe nipples, but i haven't seen any smaller than for 3/4" pipe. one of the main reasons [in my opinion] those pickups break there, is the tube is thinner wall thickness than the factory pickup, and after the thread is cut, it makes the wall thickness that much thinner. add the fact there is [usually] no support for the bottom or the tube itself, and the least vibration starts the cracking effect. It doesn't help matters that with tapered pipe thread and the pick-up has to end up in a certain position. Should I try one more turn or not. WELL DO YOU FEEL LUCKY.??? Loose or over-tight.
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