Rich Edelebrocks
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I am running 2 500 CFM Edelbrock carbs on my 1st Gen 392 Hemi. They are running so rich, they are eating up spark plugs like they were pop corn. A mechanic friend of mine says nothing can be done, it's the natuer of running 2 4's. I don't want to accept that. Any suggestions to improve, or eliminate this situation?
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Will check to confirm, but I am almost positive mine are the Performer series? I've had them for about 4 years?
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Will check to confirm, but I am almost positive mine are the Performer series? I've had them for about 4 years? Both are 8867, but one has electric choke? On the base plate of each, is stamped F 2 X 4.
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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my eddy 1406 was lean & the choke came off way too fast. check your needle/seat(s). waterlogged float(s). float hanging up. fuel psi
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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When adjusting fuel/air mixture, should both carbs be excatly the same, or adjust as individual carbs?
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Both carbs HAVE to be synced or you will never get them to work right. It take patience and a bit of trial and error to get right. This Guide will help you and save me from typing it all out. Running rich is bad and your buddy should feel bad for that mistaken advise. Having one carb rich and another lean is worse. A broadband a/f gauge is a very good tool, but you should be able to get close without one. YouTube has vids to help out as well. HTH, Steve
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Both carbs HAVE to be synced or you will never get them to work right. It take patience and a bit of trial and error to get right. This Guide will help you and save me from typing it all out. Running rich is bad and your buddy should feel bad for that mistaken advise. Having one carb rich and another lean is worse. A broadband a/f gauge is a very good tool, but you should be able to get close without one. YouTube has vids to help out as well. HTH, Steve Thanks a ton. I have a Hemi with a cross ram that is way out of tune. I was looking for a document like this as doing some tuning is first thing on my list this spring. I was pretty good at tuning a single four and did a pretty good job with the 6 pack (found the guide from someone here). Moparts comes through again.
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Both carbs HAVE to be synced or you will never get them to work right. It take patience and a bit of trial and error to get right. This Guide will help you and save me from typing it all out. Running rich is bad and your buddy should feel bad for that mistaken advise. Having one carb rich and another lean is worse. A broadband a/f gauge is a very good tool, but you should be able to get close without one. YouTube has vids to help out as well. HTH, Steve Great info. Something I think even an idiot (that would be me) can understand, and do. Thanks.
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Are you running them with both working at the same time, one to one linkage, or with progressive linkage? You probably need to lean down the metering rods on the primary step, the bigger step up high, to get it to run good at light part throttle cruise I would adjust the primary idle mixture screws so it is as lean as possible and still start and idle okay with no stumble from driving away from a idle. What spark plugs brand and part numbers are you using now and how much compression on your motor? The new Eddy carbs are not as good as they use to be You can get them to work excellent with enough tuning, so good they should knock the tires off at will at WOT
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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One to one, come in together. NGK plugs/Autolite 65. The car runs and idles good. Exhaust tips black as coal, exhaust will burn your eyes, and foul the plugs. I just replaced the Autolite 65 with the NGK equivalent, but I don't remember the number.
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I started with 650's. Too much carb, switched to 600's. Too much carb, went to the 500's. Runs much better. 2 X 500 = 1000, that's a lot of cfm's. The engine is mild, only bored 30 over to clean up the block, and mild cam. Stock iron heads, stock exhaust manifolds, factory Weiand intake. I built it to drive, not to race, or win trophy's or burn out contest.
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Try tuning the primary rods on the large step by making it larger in diameter by .002 to .006 or so and see if that helps, keep tuning it until your happy How much timing at idle and how much total timing? I cut my teeth( a long time ago back in the early to mid 1960s) on tuning the first gen Hemi Chrysler Firepower motors, 331,354 and 392 300 letter series motors Good luck
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Fuel psi is critical. IIR Edelbrocks cannot have more 6 psi. I'm running 4 psi, Holley electric pump, Moon Eyes gauge. I lean toward the old stuff, moon eyes, stewart warner, etc. I also name my cars (car now). It's a 48 DeSoto, named Odd rOd. The O's are capital letters, and they are painted (no decals) like the moon eyes.
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I started with 650's. Too much carb, switched to 600's. Too much carb, went to the 500's. Runs much better. 2 X 500 = 1000, that's a lot of cfm's. The engine is mild, only bored 30 over to clean up the block, and mild cam. Stock iron heads, stock exhaust manifolds, factory Weiand intake. I built it to drive, not to race, or win trophy's or burn out contest. a carb cannot make 0ne cfm. cfm ratings are for dummies. you've got something wrong besides the carbs.
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Both are 8867, but one has electric choke? On the base plate of each, is stamped F 2 X 4.
8867 isn't the carb number. the carb number is stamped as below
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Re: Rich Edelebrocks
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Both are 8867, but one has electric choke? On the base plate of each, is stamped F 2 X 4.
8867 isn't the carb number. the carb number is stamped as below Only number. I checked there first, only numbers there was the F 2X4. The 8867 was stamped on top plate, left rear (driver side).
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