Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: The Shadow]
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Im anxious to see mine when it arrives to compare it to the others I have. I am hoping they can be available on much shorter leads times in the future and that sounds like it will become a reality.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: The Shadow]
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The instant availability thing is such a huge part of sales. I know there are guys who plan every single thing they do, but I am certainly not one of them. Neither are most of my track buddies. Impulse projects, and buying, account for a large percentage of my purchases in racing. I don't think I'm alone in this, even outside my own biosphere.
I can think of at least 4 times in recent memory that I'd have jumped on some build tangent had blocks been available. The process was like, oh man, look at that. That would be a cool combo, what do the parts cost? OK, cool, doing mechanical math, getting the fire going. Then,,,,oh yeah,,,no blocks,,,what can I re cobble out of my existing junk.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: ChrgrCuda]
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02/11/19 07:13 PM
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Darren - Great job on an awesome looking product! Do you have your website up with available P/N's and prices?
I think you just put Mopar back in the game my friend. thanks for the kind words. MSRP for all blocks is $7495 (plus taxes & shipping)(all blocks are sold through our Dealers). I am setting the price for the Pro blocks at the moment, so I will advise very soon when we have a landing number on costs. Our website (which has perpetually been "under development" Lol.), has been waiting on photography of the new blocks, so expect to see this during February albeit it may be a little limited in content at first the essentials will be there. Attached is a PDF of current P/N's & specifications. cheers, DB
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: cdwmotorsports]
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02/11/19 08:44 PM
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Darren I presume we are still in a holding pattern for the low deck wedges? I am getting a costing together for low deck HEMI and WEDGE engine options now that we have a viable machining option. I will let everyone know when and what volume we need to make this work.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: AndyF]
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02/11/19 11:31 PM
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A low deck wedge seems fairly easy to accomplish, especially if you use the RB main bore. That saves you from having to design new main caps. There aren't a lot of low deck intake manifolds but perhaps if a block was available someone would step up with some killer intakes. If you stick with the RB main size then you avoid the low deck main bearing issue and you consolidate demand for RB crankshafts. Seems like a winner to me.
A low deck Hemi could be complicated by the pushrod angles. Might want to mock that one up and see if everything clears everywhere before you get too far into it. It seems like the pushrods already get into the cylinder bores at the RB deck height. If you lower the deck then the pushrods are going to lean over even more. Andy we can model-up the pushrod angles no sweat. the greater challenge is water jacket cores which have to be created from scratch, already the trickiest section on HEMI blocks. Getting all the investment costs together on this now.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: powertrip]
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02/12/19 04:38 AM
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I have a question regarding the cooling. The coolant port on the deck to the water pump is clearly smaller than stock and restricting flow to the suction side of the water pump- is there a reason this could not be made larger? This is not where you want a flow restriction. powertrip There are no issues with this. Best (worst?) kept secret in engine design world is that the thermal transfer properties of A356 is a large multiple of cast iron. You can run blocks with skinny water jackets and still cool better. Most of the cooling is in the cylinder head and top of the bore.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: The Shadow]
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02/12/19 09:54 AM
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I've never been a player in these new blocks, but that is a work of art. It seems to me that the price is going to be a bit cheaper than the original projections, too. Starting to make me rethink about getting a new block vs. overhauling my busted up old Indy block. What other processes will need to be done before assembly besides final piston sizing, honing and cleaning? Will cam bores and location go under "Custom" or can they be done to a regular block when ordered?
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: sgcuda]
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02/12/19 10:33 AM
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I've never been a player in these new blocks, but that is a work of art. It seems to me that the price is going to be a bit cheaper than the original projections, too. Starting to make me rethink about getting a new block vs. overhauling my busted up old Indy block. What other processes will need to be done before assembly besides final piston sizing, honing and cleaning? Will cam bores and location go under "Custom" or can they be done to a regular block when ordered? sgcuda: Street blocks come with STD cam & lifters finish machined (including hydraulic oiling). Race blocks come with +0.250 in raised cam and lifters finish machined. if it's a Race Hemi the cam will be 60mm roller with 2.000 in lifter spacing @ 48 degrees, if it's a Race Wedge the cam will be 55mm roller with 1.800 lifter spacing @ 45 degrees. All lifters machined for .905 lifters. See attached spec sheet for details. Pro blocks allow for custom lifter size, location, angle, and custom cam size. cheers DB
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: The Shadow]
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02/12/19 01:47 PM
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Love the depressurization reliefs at the rear main. Helps running a seal backwards if the oil off the main has somewhere to go other than out the seal lol.
Just a thought. Since the best head available for a mope right now is a predator, maybe consider a 45 degree lifter option for raised cam hemi blocks. The predator is available for a wedge, but is severely limited in capability, due to the valley bolt access cap needed in the top of the intake runner. The bank angle option on the hemi block is the only thing a guy would need to go straight to a pred without incurring additional custom costs.
I built (I think) the first +.5 deck pred. The tall deck let me run a near 7.5 rod, the entire skirt is in the bore, even at 5.125 stroke. Just huge increase in stability, and rod angle with the tall deck. There is room to go to 5.25 stroke if you keep the cam dia down to 54 MM. The lifter bores in mine are 45 with raised cam. I've done raised cam preds with 48 degree lifters, and it's just ugly.
The best heads we have on a big inch motor are all done around 7500rpm as you know, so cam dia beyond 54 really doesn't help IMO. A 2.5 bore tunnel allows for a 54 MM roller bearing (narrow enough for 2" spacing too.), or a 60 bab.
Disclaimer, LOL, As a Mope guy I sincerely appreciate the efforts, and financial risks you guys have borne during this offering. I would still be ecstatic over even a bone stock config aluminum hemi block. THANK YOU GUYS.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: The Shadow]
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02/12/19 03:56 PM
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Nice to see them available. To bad I am not a player for one of these blocks anytime soon. I just keep repairing old beat up KB blocks when I find them.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
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02/12/19 05:03 PM
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Darren I presume we are still in a holding pattern for the low deck wedges? I am getting a costing together for low deck HEMI and WEDGE engine options now that we have a viable machining option. I will let everyone know when and what volume we need to make this work. This is great news
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: dthemi]
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02/12/19 11:39 PM
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Love the depressurization reliefs at the rear main. Helps running a seal backwards if the oil off the main has somewhere to go other than out the seal lol.
Just a thought. Since the best head available for a mope right now is a predator, maybe consider a 45 degree lifter option for raised cam hemi blocks. The predator is available for a wedge, but is severely limited in capability, due to the valley bolt access cap needed in the top of the intake runner. The bank angle option on the hemi block is the only thing a guy would need to go straight to a pred without incurring additional custom costs.
I built (I think) the first +.5 deck pred. The tall deck let me run a near 7.5 rod, the entire skirt is in the bore, even at 5.125 stroke. Just huge increase in stability, and rod angle with the tall deck. There is room to go to 5.25 stroke if you keep the cam dia down to 54 MM. The lifter bores in mine are 45 with raised cam. I've done raised cam preds with 48 degree lifters, and it's just ugly.
The best heads we have on a big inch motor are all done around 7500rpm as you know, so cam dia beyond 54 really doesn't help IMO. A 2.5 bore tunnel allows for a 54 MM roller bearing (narrow enough for 2" spacing too.), or a 60 bab.
Disclaimer, LOL, As a Mope guy I sincerely appreciate the efforts, and financial risks you guys have borne during this offering. I would still be ecstatic over even a bone stock config aluminum hemi block. THANK YOU GUYS.
thanks Darren, the Pro block accommodates all the things you suggest, I suspect you know the shop that will be doing all our Pro Block machining as they have a ton of experience in exactly this. thanks again for your kind words. Cheers DB
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
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02/13/19 12:33 AM
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put an INDY block mains up, next to that and I'll take the INDY every time. KB has 4340 billet main caps, 9/16 main studs and double 1/2 cross bolts and you prefer an indy block with 1/2 mains and cross bolt. nope..sorry I just felt there was a lingering in the air that the others were obsolete. Maybe I jumped the gun. As I recall from my 2015? KB block, the main studs are 5/8 thread, and 9/16 shank. Very stout, IMO.
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Re: New KB Blocks are moving
[Re: 440Jim]
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put an INDY block mains up, next to that and I'll take the INDY every time. KB has 4340 billet main caps, 9/16 main studs and double 1/2 cross bolts and you prefer an indy block with 1/2 mains and cross bolt. nope..sorry I just felt there was a lingering in the air that the others were obsolete. Maybe I jumped the gun. As I recall from my 2015? KB block, the main studs are 5/8 thread, and 9/16 shank. Very stout, IMO. Long time no post! Glad you're back. Kevin
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