Finish line rules
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What are your local track rules on finish line racing? The rules as far as I can tell is kinda a grey area... Obviously if you cross the center line or hit the wall your disqualified. I've had pretty good success at times losing 10 mph or so on the Finnish line and have got some flack for some smoke off the front tires.. just wondering what is your opinion or your tracks opinion on the matter.
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Re: Finish line rules
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NHRA will disqualify you for doing that unless your opponent does it worst Is your local track a NHRA affiliate and insured with the same company with the same set of rules BTW, when you race at any track you have to use and follow their rules and you should know all of them to avoid conflict
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Re: Finish line rules
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I have seen the aftermath of excessive braking a couple of times with destroyed cars. It is just plain stupid to hit your brakes hard on the top end. Dial it hard cut a light and race it. If I were a race official at the top end any tire smoke or wobble you are gone.
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Re: Finish line rules
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Excessive braking (tire smoke) is most often is a first offence warning, second disqualification. If you need to break that hard to stay under a dial you probably should dial a little tighter There have been many examples of racers looping, sliding into the wall or opponents lane trying scrub off speed too aggressively hence the rule. other than that I can not think of any Finish line rules
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Re: Finish line rules
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NHRA has observers at the national events looking for all kinds of stuff. Excessive braking, pulling off safety equipment before you got off the track, funny blinking lights, etc. They're on a schedule and don't want to have to clean up a mess or have people get hurt. Local tracks and divisionals, luck of the draw. I've seen flat tires and wrecked cars from it. Kind of stupid, but people still do it. Guys like the 4 caliper rear brake kits for that so they don't slide the front tires.
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Re: Finish line rules
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NHRA has observers at the national events looking for all kinds of stuff. pulling off safety equipment before you got off the track, funny blinking lights, etc. Forgot about the safety equip stuff
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Re: Finish line rules
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The point of my post was not to start a poop show... I was just asking what your tracks rule was on the matter... Because the rules are very vague on the matter.
For those of you that say I'm stupid to "drive" the finish line, I would love to race you! You are the easy ones to load on the trailer....
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Re: Finish line rules
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I don't know that my local track has a rule, and there's no one down there all day watching for it. Most local places are probably the same. I watch some of the high dollar stuff that's live stream and there's some aggressive finish line braking seen there on occasion. I guess it's part of the game. A lot of different finish line strategies in use.
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Re: Finish line rules
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Are cars required to have operational brake lights so whatever they are doing, its obvious to everybody?
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Are cars required to have operational brake lights so whatever they are doing, its obvious to everybody? As far as I know just one red "running" light. No functioning brake light.
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Re: Finish line rules
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Re: Finish line rules
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In Fletcher's case they claimed "brake malfunction".
Kid from my area got tossed at 4 cars at a national event for smoking the tires after the finish line and crossing lanes on a pass he won. Luckily the other car was already by him. He got excited and tossed it into reverse.
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Re: Finish line rules
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For those of you that say I'm stupid to "drive" the finish line, I would love to race you!
I read through the entire post......I missed anyone calling anyone stupid. I think the consensus is clear......if you smoke the fronts going through the lights , you are going to attract some official attention. And it seems like most feel it is justified. If you can " drive the finish line " and not smoke your front tires or veer into the wall , then you have done nothing wrong from my chair. Our approach has always been to run our race and let the chips fall where they may. Whoever is in the other lane is not all that important. Certainly not as important as they think.
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Re: Finish line rules
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I was just asking what your tracks rule was on the matter... Because the rules are very vague on the matter.
For those of you that say I'm stupid to "drive" the finish line, I would love to race you! You are the easy ones to load on the trailer....
Jeff. Which rules are vague, your track rules or NHRA rules? As far as racing in brackets or handicap racing I'm your sugar daddy, when and where do we race I've been beat by .0004 (by John Calvert) and I've beat others by .0001 I have cut one perfect .400 light in super class racing also when division 7 race both S/P, Pro ET and both S/G and S/ST on a .400 pro tree That was long before anyone had come out with the delay boxes we have and use today
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Re: Finish line rules
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Every track that I have raced at for the past 40 yrs has the same view on excessive braking. One warning and then DQ. Excessive braking is hitting the brakes hard enough to smoke the tires. Nothing really vaugue about it.
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Specifically I'm asking about IHRA tracks. I should have stated that in the first post. I've never been able to find a specific rule on this, that's the whole reason for me asking the original question...
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A "rule for excessive braking"? The rule is: someone important doesn't like it. That not a rule, that's an opinion.
The entire point of having rules is NOT to rely on someone's opinion.
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Excessive braking is a universal rule, I would doubt any track would say they allow it. Some tracks have their own set of rules, such as a visible tail light, courtesy staging, no beer in the pits, and the like. There are 4 IHRA tracks in KY, Beacon, I-64, London and Clay City. Go on their website or call them to see if they have any rules in particular. I tend to stay North of the Ohio river, as some of those tracks still have single Armco guardrails and the tech inspection consists of handing in your tech card to a teenage girl in the tower.
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Cgall. I'll agree with you 100% on the tech inspection down here! I used to race at Byron and RT 66, it's a whole other world down here as far as tech inspection goes... I don't understand it.
Jeff
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Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect.
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Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect. What logic was used and what was ignored?
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Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect. What logic was used and what was ignored? I get it. I've seen the "rule" enforced differently even at the national event level, depending on who the offender was. Tire smoke or no tire smoke? Crossed up or not? Under control or not? It's a judgement call, probably depending on how long it's been since someone slid the tires and hit the wall.
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Specifically I'm asking about IHRA tracks. I should have stated that in the first post. I've never been able to find a specific rule on this, that's the whole reason for me asking the original question...
Jeff That was both IHRA, NHRA and outlaw tracks.
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I believe it was the 68 or 69 NHRA Nationals that Judy Lilly blew out both front tires because of locking up the brakes in the lights trying to keep from breaking out. Nothing new here.
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Its a safety issue - if you are smoking the tires with excessive braking then - quite frankly you need to leave before you hurt yourself or somebody else. It was happening at Norwalk in the slower brackets to the point guys were spinning out at top-end playing the stripe. Scrubbing a little speed off is one thing but locking up your front tires is just plain stupid! I agree 100%. Nothing wrong with scrubbing a bit but most of that can be done with your right foot. Also ...if you have to hold a tenth to win a race I would suggest buying my car.....it runs the number.
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If being able to scrub a little speed is so much more important than a couple MPH why not just run a little wider tire so you can brake without locking em up.
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