I realize that there are class indexes more affordable to run than others, but after watching this video I'm wondering how expensive it is to run competitively in the upper indexes

NHRA

By upper indexes do you mean higher numerically indexs, the slower classes?.

Keep in mind that Vid was a marketing tool for NHRA, there is nothing cheap about running any NHRA national event, NOTHING
I ran a stocker in NHRA division 7 for many year and I spent a lot of money on the car and race entries and travel
I know racers that spend $100,000.00+ a year to run a stocker in the upper index, higher, faster class cars
Yes it can be done cheaper than that, there is always ways to save money but if you want to be competitive and be able to go rounds there is no cheap way out like there suggesting
Probably the easiest and cheapest way to get your feet wet racing at NHRA division and national events would be in the 10.90 index class, Super Street
Think long and hard before proceeding, go to some races and spend several days there talking to the racers and watching
IHThs

How much money does it take to run stock eliminator? All of it!

And then some!

Yes, say A-D

If you want to spend a lot of money you can do it as far down as G. I know some of the AA-E cars are well north of 100K.


Get down in the lower classes and you can find some real deals. My buddy Mike sold his V/SA car turn-key with all the spares for way less than $10K, and it will still run .8 under most anywhere.

Tough question to answer as you probably know, it costs a lot less to just be able to run the index in the heat and tow with an open trailer and a pickup.

To be able to have a chance at winning class at Indy and tow with a deluxe enclosed trailer and a toter home is a much bigger number.

I think most people will tell you its cheaper to buy than to build. My suggestion would be to talk the the guys that are selling the cars you are interested in and see if they can give you a perceptive of the costs.

Another is what you are already doing, seek out others on sites like this one who have run stock eliminator.

Myron Piatek ("Locomotion" here) was a very successful IHRA racer and its now working on a NHRA Stock Eliminator car. You might get in touch with him for his views.

The car is but one expense. I spend 1000+ to attend a national event. Ad to that the 4-6 Divisional races needed to get the grade points to have the honor of being treated like crap at a National at 6-800 per divisional and just those expenses are more than enough to keep most away. So, 5 Divisionals at 600 per and two Nationals and 5000 bucks are gone. Do decent all of them with minimal sticker money and you may get 1/2 back! Now just off season updates that is another story! Plan on 1000's more out the window. I am thinking on building a NSS car. Stock racing is just financially unsound.

My question also stems from a conversation I had this morning. I've looked at stockers that are for sale and it seems like some are selling for quite a loss.

It's all kind of relative. Tow with an open and no place to stay? Or bring your living to the track which is a LOT more fun! Both scenarios take cash. I have seen a lot of good middle class cars being built and sold and I estimate you could buy a car and run all of a (pick your) division races including those Nats in your div. for about 40K assuming you have a truck and trailer. I paid 30K for my car and did Div. 7 for less than 10K with a LOT of help from friends. You know who you are...Thanks again!!! Win some races and things get a LOT easier. A gold card is freaking awesome! I've driven back and forth to hotels or friends places and stayed at the track for the last few years and I have had the best years of my life in Div. 7. Last year just working for a guy in Div. 4 was awesome as I got to spend time at places that I'd previously only read about. Tulsa, Dallas, Houston and Denver have some killer facilities. I love Phoenix and of course Las Vegas and Sonoma. I need to get out to Div. 3 if only just to spectate. Columbus, Norwalk, Joliet and unfortunately Englishtown have always been on my bucket list.

TRY divisional races FIRST. Win the division there and get a GOLD CARD - that gets you in FREE to national events

There are those who want to be near the top of the qualifying sheet....... there are those who wanna go rounds........ there are those who want both.

If you don’t care where you are on the sheet, run a lower class that doesn’t get many entries(so the likelihood of a heads up run is less), find a car that’s not real expensive to buy/build, and hone your bracket racing skills.

If you wanna qualify high on the sheet with an A-D car......... you’re going to spend some $$$$.

You can spend as much or as little as you want. Being the fastest car there is lots more than being .2 or .3 under. Being in A or B is way more than being in L or M. Buying a running car is way less than building. Pickups and open trailers are cheaper than Renegades and Gold Rushes. If it helps, everyone pays the same for entry fees.

You could buy a used pickup, open trailer and a running FWD stocker for 20K, maybe. Or you could spend 750K and have nice stuff and a fast car. Pick your poison.

some advice i got was find a class with lowest car count

Depends where you want to run. Run it in the Stock/Super Stock combos. GLSSA, Buckeye, East Coast S/S, NMCA. No one checks close if it looks the part. Entry is reasonable. Payout is good. Travel is minimal. Or build a quick N/SS car do all those and even more.
Doug

If you can find someone to work with you on your combo, and good machine shop/engine builder, will help you alot. It does cost, but i am very happy racing in stock, i run divisionals and national opens.

This looks like a pretty good deal:

https://www.racingjunk.com/Stock-Super-S...mp;np_offset=20

The big spend. But ALOT for the money:

https://www.racingjunk.com/Stock-Super-S...mp;np_offset=31

Possibly a good entry price point:

https://www.racingjunk.com/Stock-Super-S...mp;np_offset=58

Very cool...dare to be differrent:

https://www.racingjunk.com/Stock-Super-S...;np_offset=86#1

As said to run serious numbers and be fast you will spend big bucks and better have deep pockets. To run a lower class and have fun will be much less of course. Ron

There is a complete stocker operation for sale, car, trailer and truck. High quality and very competitive, $120,000.00 Not being funny. Somewhere down the road who will get to this number. Lower end of the scale is where 10 K or less will get you a competitive car. U/SA 1975 Mustang- 302/2bbl, 318-2bbl A or B body-R,T,U/SA or take your pick of front wheel drive cars. There's a Plymouth Horizon or Dodge Omni on the west coast that competes regularly and goes rounds. very low budget operation. That's what you need for stock eliminator, a cheap giant killer. if you don't win the event, you have the honor of beating cars worth 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 X's the amount.

Fixed it for you.

Oh, and I think the answer to your original question is: The faster classes can cost LOTS of $$$ to be competitive, even for the older stuff.

The price of a new 2015 Drag Pak was $100K-$110K, if you wanted to jump into the deep end of the pool, and I have no idea how far off from being competitive one straight from the dealer's showroom is.

Buying a used stocker you really have to do your homework. Some cars are for sale because the combo got hammered with horsepower. Also, the year end reviews are about to come out and you can see if the combo you're looking at is going to get whacked.

Also, you can check the archives on NHRA.com or DragRaceCentral and see if the owner is being honest or not.

Lastly, you have to remember that other than class or heads-up runs you are simply bracket racing.

SSSHHHHH!!! We don't anyone to get the right idea...

Expensive bracket racing at NHRA National Events were you show up Wednesday to get treated like crap and are the first to get bumped to Monday if the weather turns bad for a low payout


IHRA treated you a little better but now runs brackets only.

I live in Arizona and race in Division 7. We have to do a lot of traveling which costs serious money. It costs me about $1000. to run a divisional at Sonoma and Salt Lake City, and $600 to $700 to race at Las Vegas and Fontana. Phoenix is cheap at $350. Go to a National event and it costs $315 for the entry alone. I travel with a Ram pick up, a 24foot enclosed trailer and I stay in cheap motels.

My car(76 Dodge Aspen) runs in the middle of the pack (H/SA) and runs in the 11.3-11.4 range on a 12.15 index. I bought it from a friend who built it. I put a lot of money in it to get it to where it is today. I am getting the engine freshened right now and it will cost in the vicinity of $5000. It should be at least .1 faster. I think another $3000 to $4000 could get me a real fast car for my class, but I am running out of money.

I race with people that have lower class cars and they spend more money than me, and others that have less invested in their operation. I guess it depends on what you can afford.

Raul

There are only two times where money comes into play as far as the car, Indy, and a heads up run in eliminations.

That being said, you need to earn grade points to run a National, and even though the National will have a quota for entry, it is an all run field. The only place you have to worry about not qualifying is Indy.

I raced at five divisionals and one open this summer. I get to the track Thursday evening, and was home every Sunday evening. An average weekend cost me around $500 with my entry. Only one weekend was more than that, but most were less. I always viewed it this way, if I went away for three-four days on a "vacation", I'd spend around the same amount of money. Of course, it helps living in D-1 where I have four races within three hours of me.

In the end, it's all in what you want to do with your money. Some people like to go to their local track 20-30 miles away every weekend, some like to chase big money races, and some of us are content running half a dozen divisionals every year, with a little bracket racing mixed throughout. If you honestly want to learn more about class racing checkout Class Racer, or take a weekend and go to an Open or Divisional.

What's the entry and payout at a Divisional?

If I remember correctly, it's about $160-$170 entry & $1000 to win + contingency.

Contingency has dropped over the years. But it can add several hundred to a couple thousand or so. Some complain about issues getting paid, but the sponsors sometimes have specific guidelines you must follow: i.e.: register a product, receipts, product may qualify for only a limited amount of years, etc. It's frustrating when you buy a product one year, then they don't relist it for the following season.

I built a K/SA Aspen wagon a few years ago, but haven't run under the index consistently enough to be competitive. I chose K/SA, the heaviest that particular combo is legal for, because it seems like there are less K/SA cars to worry about getting into a heads-up race than in I/SA or J/SA. My car has good stuff in it, but not some of the high-end, "grey area" tricks. But I still thought that it should run 3-5 tenths under the index under the best conditions. Working on a Thermoquad has also been a steep learning curve. Still working the bugs out and hope to see if I fixed the problem soon at a test & tune.

As mentioned in a previous post, it's a bracket race until you run a like-classed car. Then it's heads-up. But you still have to run the index or faster to have a chance because you can't dial slower than your class index. (Minimum performance standard.)

Even if you buy a good, fast car, you have to have the resources AND knowledge how to keep the performance level up.

Wow, you’re getting a lot of good advice here, and in the case of Locomotion (Myron) a very experienced and successful racer who watches his checkbook in picking a class. When he gets his wagon sorted he still may not win every heads up race but will certainly hold his own. I raced 10.90 over the course of many years, often just not racing or infrequently due to family and/or job but never losing the “bug”. Entry into 10.90 will certainly introduce you to judging the stripe because some big $ cars in 10.90 can run big MPH. If by running brackets or 10.90 you know racing the finish line is a weakness then concentrate on improving that because there will always be runs against much faster cars. Staying at or below K will decrease your costs substantially...speed costs big time. In north IN you have proximity to some good combo associations and you can learn a whole lot from other competitors there.

And subscribe to Nitro Joe’s STATS to see who’s capable of running the big numbers. NHRA periodically releases the raw data in excel format that they use for adjusting ratings, and yes there will be some MOPAR “hits” coming out in another week or so based on what I’ve seen.

Based on my 2 years running Stock I think you’ll find some very helpful guys who will get you started and if you want to just ease into NHRA Divisionals and National Opens then try 10.90. Feel free to ask here or via PM if you have questions.

ive run stock and super stock for over 30 years, currently have a super stock car and am about 3/4 of the way to completing another stock eliminator car. the first thing you have to do is decide how fast you want to go, speed cost money, then pick a car and class that will satisfy your needs. unless you want to run a front wheel drive or in the lower classes P Q R T U these can be run at a leeser cost, some with small v/8 engines some with 6 cylinder engines, these combos still take time to get sorted out still takes time and money, im not trying to talk you out of this im just telling you it takes dedication and work, if you can do a lot on your own it much better if you have to pay someone its expensive carb modification cam specs lots of tricks and lots of rules I realy enjoy class racing but not every one does. keep asking questions and listen to the people that are actually racing not arm chair heros. best advice I can give you

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Look for NHRA Releases Stock / Super Stock Slow Averages Through CN-2 10/19/2018.

They list all the runs in the classes. Look for the combo you like and see how fast the others in that class are.

.....and whether or not they are in or near your division.

Looks like the traveling part is a great deal of the budget. When it comes to the cost of a competitive car in the upper classes, I'm starting to understand why index racing and NSS are popular.

If you can really waste 3-4 days of parking, wait for paint while you maybe get a chance to make 1 pass that day, then this what happens. If you desire to class race, get it done in a day, meet some really nice people and win a few bucks, then I strongly suggest racing in your divisional S/SS association group. You'll automatically save by not paying the NHRA event fees. DIV 1&2 have great assn.

That's why motorhomes and trailers with living quarters are popular with racers who travel a lot. It can save on hotel bills and travel time. But that's a big initial investment too. "IF" I can ever afford to do so, I'd like to be able to get a 42-44' gooseneck with a bathroom package and a sleeping area above the gooseneck to sleep at the track & truck stops. A small fridge and microwave would help but I always bring a BIG cooler filled with ice and food. You can still use a dually to go into town if time allows and is useful at home.

Thats why I have a diesel dually and a 43' with LQ but
I dont play with the stock or super stock.. just handy
to stay in the fifth wheel

Good info ,but I believe competitive class racing is well beyond my budget and I was just asking the question in general. I would probably be better off setting up my current car for NMCA Nostalgia Muscle Car or possibly building another car for NSS and staying close to home.
I'm 90 miles north of Indy, so there are a number of tracks/races within an 8 hour drive. This is just a hobby to me. As I get closer to retirement and my home is paid off, it could take up more of my time.

"Competitive" being the operative word here. I know guys who run Stock or Super Stockers and have fun at it. But they are a few generations behind on the trick, go fast stuff and they try to stay away from the heads up races with the fast guys. These days, with quotas at the Nationals and not as many guys showing up at the points meets, that's easier to do, especially if you chose your class carefully. The advantage is you can pick up used "good" parts for quarters on the dollar from the hitters. And as discussed, entry fees, diesel fuel, tow rigs, etc., all cost the same for everyone.

FWIW, the D/SA Duster that Jerry Hatch ran a 9 a few months ago with...has a $35,000 340 according to the guy who owns the car. The car's usually in the late rounds & has a few National Event wins.

I talked to Jerry at tha Dutch Classic A few months ago , how impressive it was to have the 340 running that fast, he said thanx it was a lot of hard work. I told him about a bow tie racer I know who told me he changed classes because he couldn't run with the Mopars, he chuckled. They found something in those 340s to really pick them up and from what I've read it's not the LD 340 all the bow tie guys think it is . Great to see all the 340 cars running so fast, gotta love it.

Aren’t the small blocks allowed to run Eddy heads now?

Yes, but they need a lot of work and $$ to do it. All the Chevy guys are crying real hard over how the 340's can run now.

The LD340 will no longer be legal beginning 1/1/2019.

Ritter block..eddy heads...ld340...roller rockers..solid lifter cams...everything a 340 came with from the factory..LOL

Right. They really muddied up the waters for many combos. Worst ones are a metric 200 trans behind almost any GM product. And 3 speeds replacing powerglides.

When a 1968 327/275 Nova legally runs in the 10's then the rules are way off base.

Stock is just a name, nothing stock about it. 8 second late models, Aluminum rads, racing seats, fuel cell, light weight disc brakes, roller rockers, any valve spring, etc.

But it is fun to watch.

Ironic story about the LD340 no longer being allowed ... one of the biggest critics and lobbyers about its use , a true bow tie guy actually let me use his shop and helped me change a motor in my Dart years ago as At the time I had no place to do it. He has worked on several Mopars he isn't anti- Mopar just a Stock purist. He has helped a lot of racers and has built some really good cars. That being said I m sure there are plenty of questionable parts in some of the fast GM cars also. I can see allowing aftermarket heads and blocks , trying to find a 340 block that passed a sonic test was quite a task years ago as well as finding an X or J head that wasn't cracked. Great to see guys putting the " R and D into these combos , mid Tens and high Nines out of a 340 is downright awesome and impressive.

Stock Eliminator NHRA/IHRA, Stock Purist, now that's an oxymoron. I will in defense of IHRA, they had a PS Pure Stock class, 99 44/100% pure.

I love the stock, S/S stuff. It's just beyond my budget. The N/SS stuff is low maintenance. Just as competitive. My entire car was WAY less than that 340 motor.
Doug

Heck 35,000.00 for an engine to attend races that pay out around 1200.00 sounds like a deal to me. But I think I will stick with my R3 small block that cost me 7500.00 to build and runs 9.40's and hit some 20,000.00 to win races. Then again I'm a budget racer. LOL

Part of the problem was and is was they are running out of legal head castings. They ain't making that stuff new any more.

As with everything, as the cams for Stock evolved, the rockers were no longer even serviceable. Guide life was next to nothing.

Blocks have the same issue. I forget the number of sleeves you can run but it isn't all 8. They didn't make that many 340's and the price of those is going up. Why make a guy spend a ton of money on a used junkyard core (that may be .030, .040 or even .060 over already) when you can get a block that can start at a standard bore size? GM gets to do it, why not the Chrysler guys?


The sanctioning bodies have crapped on the Chrysler guys for decades. They have factored once competitive packages right out of competition. They have so hobbled other classes that you have a zero realistic shot of winning if you have to run class.

So if the retarded sanctioning body finally threw the mopar guys a bone so be it. Think about all the guys jumping ship to the newer cars just because they don't have to recycle junkyard blocks and heads.

Also, I'm relatively sure the computer controlled cars are playing with traction control and NHRA just can't (or won't) catch them.

Good points for sure, it was good to see many of the Stock Class winners at Indy were Mopars , a lot of tissues for the others. Factory Stock was great ! A Mopar Winning the Chevy Nats. but the cry babies did something about that too. added weight and the Mopar still Won after that.

These last 2 posts by madscientist and 11secdart illustrate why NHRA has been on the slipperiest of slopes and why other sanctioning groups, specifically NMCA and NMRA are growing. Flexibility is what makes racing fast and growing. S/SS are just expensive bracket races. Pick the flavor of racing that you want, can afford and all importantly BE FUN!

Actually NHRA has allowed many aftermarket parts because of the lack of serviceable stock cores. So much so that many purists are complaining. Aftermarket rockers and solid cams in Stock are a few of the more recent. As far as blocks, NHRA has approved the P5153478AB and Ritter blocks for small blocks and Bulldogs, Kolenos and P5155072AB for big blocks. Aftermarket heads are also accepted for most applications. These people get approval for this stuff, then can't supply it. It's unicorns. Don't blame NHRA.

I started racing NHRA Stock in the 1973, I've raced and help other Mopar racers race and set world records up to 2005, trust me when I say NHRA does NOT like or care about doing anything good for the Mopar class racers in Stock, Super Stock or any other class that helps Mopar sell cars
I've been through their grievance procedures when the then national tech director instructed his tech. guys to throw out all the Mopar stock class winners in Phoenix one year due to all of them that were outrunning the Chevy and Fords in the same classes allegedly having acid ported heads from the same guy that sold them to the Chevy and Ford racers the year before. No lie
Politics exists everywhere, DANG IT

This should be a sticky because it's a FACT. It's documented and has been documented for decades.

So if the purists and Chevy lovers are bitching it must be a good thing.

Yes you can sleeve all 8. The chevrolame guys are sleeving 454's down to 396. been going on for a decade or more.

I know of some 340 racers who were doing the same before new blocks were available.

As far as GM guys crying foul... let's go down the Mopar path... '62 413's with '64 heads and intake, '62-64 Max Wedge cars in any possible B-body combination you can think of, "Nascar" Hemis, trim-less hardtop Plymouths, Dodge hardtops with Sedan trim, AAR hoods on any fresh air package 1970 'Cuda, and my personal favorite...'66 Hemi cars with scoops. We probably wouldn't bring so much attention to ourselves if we didn't do such bogus things...

I'm building a F/SA '68 340 Barracuda, I can confirm for you all it isn't cheap. I already own the Dually, LQ trailer and attend various divisional, national and association events throughout the year none of which will change, just the tool I bring when I go.

Anyone who thinks they want to give it a try I'd encourage to go bracket racing for awhile first. The investment is usually less, you won't need to worry about heads ups and ultimately you're going to hone the skills needed to be competitive in Stock or Super Stock, which is a glorified bracket race 95% of the time.

No to mention all the bogus "ringer" cars the factory used to throw in when everyone ran off their record......

I've been around Stock class racers of all makes for years. Every make out there has been dirty or helped by liberal rules at one time or another. The reason the eliminator became a bracket race was because of all the shenanigans going on.

Bottom line is IF you want to be top dog in your class or set national records in the upper classes, budget will not be in your vocabulary. If you can be content with a car that will just qualify anywhere you can get away a lot cheaper. Then all you have to worry about is heads-up runs, and if you have chosen your class wisely you may never have one.

Really? Because for decades the factoring has killed, and I mean flat out KILLED packages and they've never been fixed.

What little crumb the NHRA throws on the floor for Stock and Super Stock is just nothing compared to what GM gets.

I used to follow Modified and SS religiously back in the day and stock pretty close. When NHRA killed modified I was disgusted. As I got older I still followed Stock and SS fairly close but in the last 10-15 years I haven't. So maybe the rules have changed. The last time I even looked at the rules you couldn't sleeve all 8 holes and IIRC you could only have a certain percentage of the valves with seats under them. Maybe that rule has changed as well. I think I have a 2016 rule book. I may have to thumb through it when I get home.

Great car. I love that thing. Too bad it's not a stick, but then, I'm a stick guy.

I tried to find the Nation record and Index for that class but I have 3 different issues of ND here and none of them have either.

All you have to look at is the SS/AH class. Yeah, NHRA gave them their own class. It's certainly not factored correctly as more than half the Challenge competitors at Indy do not qualify for the SS field. Ludicrousness!

Click 1000' & 1/4 mile records.
Scroll down to the bottom for Comp., SS & Stock.

NHRA National Records

My neighbor Earl runs F/SA with a 68 340 FB Barracuda...Having lunch with him tomorrow..

Even before the hard index, most of the Indy non-qualifiers were A-AA (before AH) cars. AH is Super Stock's version of Pro Stock. A handful of engine builders supplying the top power, with a few people following behind running yesterday's leftovers. The hard index is to encourage these guys to actually run them out. A few have asked for a 9.50 index, but there are a few cars capable of hitting that magical 1.2 under spot (8.30 on a 9.50) that would get them triggered with horsepower/weight, therefore hurting everyone.

As far as the valve seat replacement, I just sold a pair of AH legal cast iron Hemi heads towards the beginning of the year that were just as they were taken off a running car a few years ago. Every seat had been replaced in those heads.

You also have to remember that at Indy there are a lot of really good cars that won't get in, no matter what class, especially this year when they turned off the AHFS.

Thanks Myron. Do they not publish that stuff in ND any more?

I haven't kept track specifically, but they have cut back a lot. Not sure how often they do publish it, if at all. It could be to save a couple of pages of print and/or perhaps there aren't as many people setting records and all of the "minimums" don't look good.

Interesting stuff guys. The OP was just a general question, but have learned a little more about the class from your comments. I didn't think I would open a can of worms

A few years back, the top stock eliminator qualifier, at Indy, was a turbo PT Cruiser.

I just took delivery of an Intech trailer exactly like you described. Pretty expensive piece but very cool.

https://www.flyingamotorsports.com/default.asp?page=xInventoryDetail&id=5203687

Dragster has cut back on a lot of information that was useful to the sportsman racer. Points standings, payouts and purses, contingencies, indexes and records. All that is on the NHRAracer site now. They don't even do a real story about the national event winners in the sportsman classes like they used to. Got rid of all the Dragster staff to hire a few more media experts and marketing people.

I bought a set of X head castings from him last year for this project.

InTech builds a very nice trailer, I would love to have one.

I sold him a set of X heads about 2 yrs ago..LOL

Nice. I'd take white with an escape door and could leave off a couple options to save a few bucks.

The 894 heads are not the best head to run. The quickest F/SA 340 in the country runs a different head that flows much better as does a certain six pack car(when he runs steel heads).
I have known Earl for years he has spent a lot of money and blown up a lot of parts.

Charlie Blossom, drove the car there too. Just shows what you can do if you pick the right combo. He got a bunch of HP for his effort, but was still 1.5 under at Earlville the next weekend.

http://classracer.com/classforum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

Zac Ross had a 1972 Charger for sale for $20k, but it looks like it is sold. You might look on the Classracer classifieds and RacingJunk under Stock/SS cars for sale.

Matt Welker has his 1968 SS/AH Cuda for sale if you come into money. Joe Teuton has one of his for sale as well.

Since the thread has gone off course this far....while in north Indiana getting some paint work on my Motorhome I called and got a tour of both InTech and ATC which are located within a mile of each other in Nappanee. They have very different manufacturing processes with InTech being more “old school” and many more Amish craftsmen. They offer almost infinite customization, but both are great and I’d heartily recommend touring both before ordering either since they are a sizable investment. Don’t know about other all aluminum trailer manufacturers but if you plan on using it a long time they are far better investments. Gold Rush is generally the gold standard.

And yes, you can find great buys on class cars by visiting ClassRacer and Racing Junk; have bought and sold several on them. Think ClassRacer offers the advantage of easily seeing the seller’s history by reviewing his/her other posts and you can substantiate claimed performance using Nitro Joe’s stats and DRC.

Bob Mazzolini has a Mopar A/SA for sale, if you have $79K in your budget.

Saw the car run at Fontana last year, beautiful piece as all of Bob’s cars are. West coast cars are generally a bit higher priced...Tom Nolan has been trying to sell his Hemi car for quite a while, he has his usual large fleet. Subscribe to Warren Evans YouTube channel (D3TV) and you can probably see one or both in action at Vegas this fall.

I would have ordered it a bit differently but this one was a demo that was used for 6 months. They took about 20 grand off of the new trailer price. It has a few scratches and scuffs but the 20 grand discount made this a great deal.

Clicking "like" on this post.

Quite an incentive on the trailer!

I am pretty sure this was ordered for one of the Street Outlaw guys and it was supposed to be white. He used it until they could get him the same trailer in white.

I bought a trailer from Flying A in 2001 and would not hesitate to buy another one from them. (Its nothing like this one!).

You are correct as it says in the ad it was Big Chiefs trailer

I think this one was Shawn's(Murder Nova).

BobR could be who knows. In their ad it say it was Justins trailer at the top of the page

They told me this particular one was Shawn's. I know the ad says it was Justin's. I guess we'll never know for sure and I don't care either way.

The Christmas gifts from Uncle Wally are up:

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=71311&zoneid=132

http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=71312&zoneid=132

SS/AH Index raised to 9:60.

Jeesh it's about time...