Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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So I am going to be replacing my SR heads on my B block. It's a 500" motor. My question is will it be worth it to upgrade to -1 heads? I currently have SR heads with Harland Sharps on them. Just wanted to see if the power increase would be worth the upgrade on the heads. I want to stay with one of these due to the TTI headers I have.
Thanks
72 Dart 500" low deck Indy SR heads. 10.40 @129 best so far
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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My understanding is that if your SRs are opened up to Max wedge sized ports, and they are fully ported, they will be right there with ported -1s, and not far behind the very best -1s.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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So I am going to be replacing my SR heads on my B block. It's a 500" motor. My question is will it be worth it to upgrade to -1 heads? I currently have SR heads with Harland Sharps on them. Just wanted to see if the power increase would be worth the upgrade on the heads. I want to stay with one of these due to the TTI headers I have.
Thanks I have a bad habit of saying it like it is but if you are running 10.40’s with your combo in Ohio something is wrong. Work on the combo you have and find the missing ET.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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I'm watching this one because I can get some tti headers cheap but don't know which block I'm going to use yet and like Bob I want to still drive on the street
71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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I like the SR's. I think they can make some real good power. Like pittsburghracer said, spend some time and money concentrating on your combo. I ran 9.90's with 915's on a 440 in my 3,000 lb Cuda. Your engine/trans/rear/suspension sounds like it could use some fine tuning, and reap some great rewards.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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09/02/18 03:16 PM
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I had a set of SR M.W. port sizes that flowed 340 CFM at .70 lift, I also had a set of CNC ported 440-1 that flowed 370 CFM at .700 lift. I dyno tested two different motors with both sets of heads, a 518 C.I. 400 block pump gas motor that had 10.78 to1 compression ratio with both sets of heads (76.0 chambers) and a 526 C.I. 440 block with 12.8 to 1 compression. The pump gas motor made 727 HP with the SR and made 775 HP with the 440-1, the headers I had didn't have big enough exhaust flanges for the 440-1 heads, they where about 3/16 narrower on the bottom lip of the flange than the exhaust ports where The 526 motor made 775 HP with the SR and 845 HP with the 440-1 missing on both sets of heads worse than the smaller motor did above 5200 RPM Both motors would start to miss around 5200 RPM, the pump gas motor didn't miss as bad as the bigger motor did It wouldn't surprise me that miss made both motors loose HP above 5200 RPM, maybe 10 to 20 HP My message is more air flow and fuel equals more power Are your TTI headers for the 440-1 heads, if not they need to be
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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Cab's numbers are what I saw between my heads and a friends SRs. Both motors were jesel equipped, similar builds. The Hp difference in full ported form is about 50 hp. If you go with -1s, after the trouble I had with Jesel intake rockers breaking needle bearing cages, I would try Harland sharp. In the end, if you think it is worth .2+ in the 1/4, go for it. That is about what you should gain.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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So I am going to be replacing my SR heads on my B block. It's a 500" motor. My question is will it be worth it to upgrade to -1 heads? I currently have SR heads with Harland Sharps on them. Just wanted to see if the power increase would be worth the upgrade on the heads. I want to stay with one of these due to the TTI headers I have.
Thanks I wouldn't change from SR heads to -1 head just to pick up a little bit of power unless it was a fully sorted out race setup and you had tried everything with the SR heads. How much power does the engine make now and how much do you want to make? My 514 makes around 900 hp with EZ heads so I seriously doubt that the SR heads are holding you back.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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Nicely reworked SR’s are pretty good heads for a 500” motor.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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Nicely reworked SR’s are pretty good heads for a 500” motor. Decided to dig up some older Indy heads stuff you posted that's still available on the Tech Archive here: LINK
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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So I am going to be replacing my SR heads on my B block. It's a 500" motor. My question is will it be worth it to upgrade to -1 heads? I currently have SR heads with Harland Sharps on them. Just wanted to see if the power increase would be worth the upgrade on the heads. I want to stay with one of these due to the TTI headers I have.
Thanks I mentioned earlier that the difference in ALL OUT builds is roughly 50 hp between SRs and -1s. Have you considered going to B1s? That would cost more $$$ for sure, and other changes to match the rpm range and pistons, but if you are continuely thinking of making more power, it might make sense. In my case i should have gone this route as i look back. I eventually went to a Mega block, but other racers have successfully run B1s on 400 blocks.
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Re: Indy SR vs. -1 head question
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I guess the conversation really should have started more like:
“How much faster are you really trying to go”?
Then, let the answer to that question dictate the direction to proceed.
One of my customers recently went 9.86 with his(not legal for 9’s) street/strip 3500lb race weight 69 Dart with a 505 running mildly reworked MW sized EZ heads and a .645 lift roller cam.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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