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71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question #1221584
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The shop that has my car is getting ready to restore the grill and tail panel. Can anyone help me identify what color and paint types is correct for each area. Any other pictures may be helpful too. As always, thanks! Scott

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2016 Diesel Ram 3500 Mason Dump
1971 Challenger
2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221585
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here is a little better pic

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2016 Diesel Ram 3500 Mason Dump
1971 Challenger
2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221586
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for 1 I need to identify the color and paint type for around headlights and around grill centers

for 2 I need to identify color and paint type for gray areas

for 3 is this the same as 2

and 4 I need the correct color and paint type for black areas


2016 Diesel Ram 3500 Mason Dump
1971 Challenger
2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221587
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here is the tail panel

for 1, 2 and 3 I need color and paint type.

Also any sources for getting the right paints would be helpful. Thanks again


2016 Diesel Ram 3500 Mason Dump
1971 Challenger
2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221588
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I'm told that top peice on your tail panel should be black not silver.
I painted mine silver.

I used the same interior paint that I used on my dash frame and other stuff inside. DIA 9388.
Then I used DIA 3960 silver poly for the silver part.

I painted a argent tail panel black because I wanted to save my oem RT tail panel, this one was practice. I used it on my clone car, it's not perfect or correct. I still have my oem tail panel with original paint on it.

The bezals on top are correct, one's NOS and the other I painted, you can't tell them apart.

Then this is my first attempt at the front grill.

Then I realized I was missing some argent silver.
So I painted it on there. I did not paint the snorkels, they are original plastic gray.
This is wrong, the grill.

This is right, I believe.



Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: Challenger 1] #1221589
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Here's car from Ken Moser and the finer details, It must be wrong too?

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Thanks for those pics and info but I am now looking to restore mine as a regular JH challenger not a JS RT version.


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2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: Challenger 1] #1221591
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Original paint R/T

Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221592
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I have no idea on the paint.


Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: Challenger 1] #1221593
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R/T's and rubber bumper cars are painted with a black out type scheme. While all other cars have an argent grit type paint scheme.

Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: Challenger 1] #1221594
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Looks like the mounting 'tabs' on the far ends of your grille are missing????

Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: kidmopar] #1221595
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OK, I'll put something out and others can correct as necessary. I'm in the process of doing this myself.

I think there are three colours used:
1) non-textured Argent silver (a bright silver).
2) textured Argent med/dark silver
3) Black (semi-gloss?)

The first has been likened to the Mopar Argent silver wheel paint - that's what I'm using. The second you have a number of options depending on your budget and desire for dead-nuts accuracy. Most correct and expensive would be sources like All-trim
Cheaper and close would be Totally Auto (what I'm using) and I recall there is an off the shelf Krylon paint that is very close too.
Black - no idea.
All the open spaces are the textured silver. The front scoops including fins and the rear light surrounds are the bright silver, as is the rear surround. Black is used on the headlamp surrounds between the lights themselves, and on the floor of the scoops.

That's off the top of my head without the parts in front of me, hope that helps, corrections welcomed.

Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: Challenger 1] #1221596
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Quote:

Here's car from Ken Moser and the finer details, It must be wrong too?





Yes that's wrong. What I think happens is that people took NOS Challenger rear finish panels and made them into R/T finish panels. The silver line on top is a common mistake.

FireEng - we need to know if your car is an R/T or not. That changes everything.

Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #1221597
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Quote:

Thanks for those pics and info but I am now looking to restore mine as a regular JH challenger not a JS RT version.




I am restoring it as a regular challenger, not an R/T.
Thanks


2016 Diesel Ram 3500 Mason Dump
1971 Challenger
2013 Jeep Wrangler
1979 Dodge Ram Power Wagon 400 Mini Pumper
My other car is a Fire Truck.
Re: 71 challenger grill and tail panel restoration question [Re: fireeng] #2539687
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I am restoring a 71 Challenger Deputy and I too am attempting to replicate the OEM style paints for the tail panel, grill and headlight bezels to the best of my ability.

Argent style or textured paint is extremely difficult to replicate as exact as the manufacturer did it, but it's easy to get so close as to make it nearly impossible to tell.

I've been at it two weeks straight for this particular car. Oem paint code F7. Trim codes do not tell the styling or base for the argent grill, nor the color name for the grey/silver of the inner grill snorkels (no other word comes to mind) with the stainless rings.

After much cleaning and inspecting in different lights, the outsides of the snorkels are a silvery plastic color, while the rear portions non exposed to any sun are a medium grey. I will post photos, of all my thoughts and my processes for this restoration.

The aregent style grainy silver effect are the results of a black basecoat, with silver metalflake infused into a subdued, or flat clear coat, which is thinned enough to allow the metal flake edges to stand up and be felt. This is the only way I have been able to replicate the texture.
Using a black basecoat the results are as night and day, and do not represent the cover of silver properly, so a few test panels later I mixed and found a meduim dark gray basecoat with the metalflake and clear coverage that exactly replicates the surrent grill color and texture scheme as if it were represented from the factory (Without the fade and weathering as it is seen currently to the naked eye) I hope.....


Bear with me as my nerves and camera take us through what I hope will be a Victory for all 70-74 E body enthusiasts whom wish to make their car look as perfectly original as possible.

Any and ALL advice and thoughts on tones or shades are welcome, and ALL NOS clear photos of these items in this post are welcomed with open eyes and willingness to learn.

Regards,

Gary (Bucky71)

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