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Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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Guys I have an opportunity[?] to trade my restored T/A B5 NM 4spd 3.91 52K mile car with a 70 chall hemi orange NOM 440-6 auto with Dana60 4.10 60K mile car.My car is nicer as the 440 car has been parked for 20yrs but is verry correct other than the NOM69# block.Just needs minor servicing- nothing drastic.It would be a verry clean orig driver
The owner states that it is one of 50[?] auto 6pak cars fitted with a dana60 [date code correct]Is this true? Only hemi or 4spds ya? He also states a 'dress up' option? eg some eng chrome? I have never heard of these, but stranger things have been rumoured about options back in the day
How would these cars compare collector and $$ wise? Both are desirable cars and the guy approached me with a swap.
Does anyone have a build number of 70 challenger 440-6 autos please
Looking for a 'Moparts' opinion as there isnt many of either cars in OZ and Im 50/50 on the deal- but its got me thinking!.
cheers Dave
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/14/09 09:45 PM
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Funny question....about 5 hours ago at a car show in Toronto I was debating the difference in value between two cars at the show...a 70 AAR Cuda and a 70 440+6 Cuda  Based solely on desirability I would say the Trans Am cars are worth more. the 70 V code cars have pretty high production numbers over all and I think most people asked would prefer the T/A and AAR for handling and drivability. (that comes from the owner of a 440+6 car)In your case it's a no brainer....Your car, original motor and 4spd is worth more....
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
[Re: 6pacdave]
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03/14/09 10:14 PM
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Yeh, I agree with the above. I would take a T/A over 440/6 car. Given that the T/A is a 4 speed car makes it all the more tastey.
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/15/09 12:11 AM
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If I was offered the choice I would probably take your car due mostly because the 440-6 doesn't have the original motor and yours does.
....and a 4 speed trans am car is VERY COOL
Absolutely Correct! Having the original drive train is important and somewhat rare for cars that were manufactured with performance/racing in mind.
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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Keep the T/A, pull and store the original drivetrain, build your own 440/6, 4spd, dana drivetrain, drop it in, drive the wheels off it  Then if you decide to sell, you won't have lost any value, plus you will have had the fun you would have gained from the swap. Just my  jt
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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As the others have said, keep your car. You know what you got. If you trade, the other guy will end up better on the deal.
FWIW, there were 793 RT 440-6 hardtops made with the auto trans. Not extremely rare. Not sure where he got the breakdown by rear end, but even so, that wouldn't hold much weight with me.
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
[Re: anlauto]
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03/15/09 10:34 AM
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I was thinking the same thing.Although I do agree with a complete numbers matching car over a non-numbers matching car.Depends if you want 290 HP or 390 HP 
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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I thought they made more T/As than V-codes?
If you add up ALL the 70 V code Challengers I believe it's about 2000 compared to 2400 T/A's so you are correct.
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/15/09 12:00 PM
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Here is a real life example for you. I had an all original AAR 'Cuda that was FJ6 and all numbers matching with two build sheets. Somehow I had a brain fart and sold it for a different car. Well, about a year later I had the worst case of seller remorse you could imagine. I wanted it back or I had to find an adequate replacement. I now have my signature car as a result of my seller remorse (440-6 'Cuda) but I have to say, if the two were side to side, I would take my AAR over the 6 barrel car. Just my . Also, I would NEVER trade a numbers matching desirable car for a NON matching numbers desirable car - more of my Rob 
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/15/09 03:31 PM
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if it was a cuda with a shaker 727 dana 4 10s then it would be a no brainer but be just a challenger id keep the T/A
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/15/09 03:55 PM
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if it was a cuda with a shaker 727 dana 4 10s
then it would be a no brainer
but be just a challenger id keep the T/A
Now, If the car he had was an AAR compared to a 440-6 Cuda, auto, dana, NO shaker car... Would that be closer?
Wondering if both cars being Cuda would shift the pricing up for both equally.
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
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03/15/09 11:38 PM
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Wow, never would I have expected it to be so slanted towards the T/A. Learn something new every day! 
I think the price gap between the T/A-AAR's and their respective 440-6 Challenger-'Cuda siblings has narrowed over the past 10-15 years.
Anyone else's opinion on 340-6 car values relative to 440-6 values??
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
[Re: Diego (not Ted)]
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03/15/09 11:57 PM
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1970 Challengers2400 US total T/A Challengers, but only 989 with 4-speed (41%). 2035 US total 440+6 Challengers (1640 R/Ts & 296 R/T SEs & 99 R/T 'verts), but only 793 440+6 auto R/Ts (39%). - T/A vs. R/T- 340+6 vs. 440+6 ~~~~ R/Tnumbers vs. non-#s ---- T/A4-spd vs.auto --------- T/A3.91 vs. 4.10 ~~~~~~ even EB5 vs. EV2 ~~~~~~~ even resto vs. sitting ------- T/Ahood ------------------ T/Aspoiler ---------------- T/AThe T/A has too much high-performance eye-candy going for it, the R/T would need some major factory options to catch up to the cool factor!  (sunroof, SHAKER, spoilers, louvers, etc.)
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/16/09 12:06 AM
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The easier to read version; T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A T/A
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
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03/16/09 01:15 AM
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1970 Challengers
2400 US total T/A Challengers, but only 989 with 4-speed (41%).
2035 US total 440+6 Challengers (1640 R/Ts & 296 R/T SEs & 99 R/T 'verts), but only 793 440+6 auto R/Ts (39%).
-T/A vs. R/T-
340+6 vs. 440+6 ~~~~ R/T
numbers vs. non-#s ---- T/A
4-spd vs.auto --------- T/A
3.91 vs. 4.10 ~~~~~~ even
EB5 vs. EV2 ~~~~~~~ even
resto vs. sitting ------- T/A
hood ------------------ T/A
spoiler ---------------- T/A
The T/A has too much high-performance eye-candy going for it,
the R/T would need some major factory options to catch up to the cool factor!
(sunroof, SHAKER, spoilers, louvers, etc.)
"but only 793 440+6 auto R/Ts (39%)." Did you mean 4 speed instead of auto? I would have thought they made less 4spd than autos.
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But from what you wrote all else equal you think a 70 440-6 non shaker (very few shaker 70's) is worth more than a 340-6 T/A? A typical T/A to typical R/T with same trans, paint and no spoilers/louvers/etc on the R/T?
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Re: Collectors .. 70 T/A v 70 440-6 Chall.
[Re: 6pacdave]
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03/16/09 10:24 AM
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Thanks for the input guys, sometimes you just need to be set straight!
cheers Dave
Your welcome. That'll be $50 per response for advice and counseling. j/k.
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