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INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? #2531609
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I have had an INDY blue 1.6 ratio rocker break on the #8 cylinder intake side. This was on a SR head 493 stroker engine. I also know of a 440 with SR heads that broke on the same position # 8 cylinder intake side.
I have attached pictures of both failures. So I'm wondering if others out there have had the same rocker break? If so is there a weak point back there on # 8?
Thanks! MJ

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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531610
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It was just their time.

Probably wise to replace them all........ especially if you’re running a roller cam with decent spring pressure.


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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2531619
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I've never trusted those aluminum rockers. I've always opted for the steel Magnum roller tipped rockers with assurance.
I believe after so many cycles of hot to cold to hot again along with all the pressures at that point, the aluminum will give.
Sorry for your issues.

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531640
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I had two sets of Comp steel rockers weld themselves to the shafts. .660 roller with just over 700lbs. over the nose. T&D or Jesel IMO.

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531678
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Push rod bent ? Valve touched piston ?

I have broken 2 Crane gold rockers but they are a little weaker to start with, at the time of failure the engines where being beat on.

Go buy a set of Hughes rockers that don't have needle roller bearings


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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531679
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Oh yeah, I think the last one we broke was #8


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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531680
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It's a indy rocker they break

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: a493demon] #2531702
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I have a set Of Indy rockers on my 360-1 heads but only have a small .650 lift solid cam in this engine. I bought a set of used T&D rockers from a moparts member that will be going on over the Winter when I step up to a roller cam



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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531796
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never used indy rockers black or blue,use hardland sharps and smith bros push rods

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531802
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Those Indy rockers --made by Dove have always been sold by Indy as the rocker--Indy KNOWS that they can't handle roller spring pressures or high spring pressures for long---You have experienced the same failure that hundreds of Indy customers have seen over the years--they run for a while but then--K Boom You use them on a street solid cam and they may last forever--use them in a serious race unit and well.....
Hughes, Harlands, Jesels, etc for real race engines
BTW I have never seen an Indy small block rocker do that but I have seen dozens of the BB units fail--replace the entire set now or risk future destruction

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: Dave Hall] #2531805
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Originally Posted By Dave Hall
I had two sets of Comp steel rockers weld themselves to the shafts. .660 roller with just over 700lbs. over the nose. T&D or Jesel IMO.


Before they started putting bushings in them, the Comp steel rockers were “rated” for 350lbs open load.


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Originally Posted By crabman173
Those Indy rockers --made by Dove have always been sold by Indy as the rocker--Indy KNOWS that they can't handle roller spring pressures or high spring pressures for long---You have experienced the same failure that hundreds of Indy customers have seen over the years--they run for a while but then--K Boom You use them on a street solid cam and they may last forever--use them in a serious race unit and well.....
Hughes, Harlands, Jesels, etc for real race engines
BTW I have never seen an Indy small block rocker do that but I have seen dozens of the BB units fail--replace the entire set now or risk future destruction
this! I've seen them break also. they're not a serious hot rod rocker.

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531821
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Some guys here running those rockers also had 1 showing signs of cracking, and they weren't running hefty spring pressures with their mild roller, happen to be on SR's as well, don't know which cyl it was on but it seems they are a mild perf application rocker only, they went HS rockers.

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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: rb446] #2531858
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Thanks for all the replies!
I just thought there might be something up with that # 8 cylinder?
I replaced the rockers in the 493 stroker with Harland Sharps right after that. I had the same thought that there might be 15 more ready to go? The rockers in the other engine have been replaced as well.
MJ

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2531881
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Maybe check valve to piston clearance on # 8 just to be sure.

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Check top of valve guide to bottom of valve spring retainer clearance,especially if showing up on the same rocker. I missed that one many years ago. It baffled me for a while and cost me some money!

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Originally Posted By crabman173
Those Indy rockers --made by Dove have always been sold by Indy as the rocker--Indy KNOWS that they can't handle roller spring pressures or high spring pressures for long---You have experienced the same failure that hundreds of Indy customers have seen over the years--they run for a while but then--K Boom You use them on a street solid cam and they may last forever--use them in a serious race unit and well.....
Hughes, Harlands, Jesels, etc for real race engines
BTW I have never seen an Indy small block rocker do that but I have seen dozens of the BB units fail--replace the entire set now or risk future destruction

Here's your answer right here.
Doug

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Well you will not be replacing them with the Indy rockers. They have ceased production on them to include the small blocks. Now you have to step up to the HS, TD or Jesel. They worked fine on Hyd.or solid cams, just not rollers.

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Google Dove Rocker Arms and wowzer it pops right up--they are known Ford makers but also sold Indy all they wanted until they did not want them anymore--They still have them Call and let us know
how it goes

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I use the Mancini rockers made by HS when I’m looking for an “entry level” type rocker........ something along the lines of the Crane golds.

Of the stuff I’ve used recently, those are the least expensive rockers that I’ll trust, but I wouldn’t use them with a solid roller running high spring loads.


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Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2532245
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Just looking at the fracture section of the rocker, They look to be cast aluminum and not billet, Is that a true statement?

Re: INDY SR BLUE 1.6 ROCKER FAILURES # 8 CYL INTAKE? [Re: moparjohn] #2532246
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Most of that style of rocker are made from extrusions.


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