Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I WANT THE BEST. I HAVE STAGE 6 HEADS I WANT TO BE 12.5 TO 13 COMP. BORE SIZE WILL DEPEND ON THE KIT. I WILL RUN A ROLLER CAM.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I used Molnar crank and rods. Mahle pistons. All of it was very nice stuff! There is no "kit" but AndyF has a good piston selection chart in the tech section that helps you with your selection.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Check out the discount section on 440source. Looks like a good deal on a crank and set of rods.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Check out the discount section on 440source. Looks like a good deal on a crank and set of rods. And they are fine at 750/800 hp
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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If you want the best, and plan on using a stock block, invest in a center wieghted crank to make the block live a long life. I highly sugest you go with a 400 block also at the power level you want. When you say best, then talk to some of the great engine builders on this board and have them set you up with individual choices for pistons, etc. Your best results will come from going that route. Ask me how i know😀😀 your dyno results will love you for it!
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I used Molnar crank and rods. Mahle pistons. All of it was very nice stuff! There is no "kit" but AndyF has a good piston selection chart in the tech section that helps you with your selection. I have Molnar also with JE pistons....excellent quality on the crank and rods.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I WANT THE BEST. I HAVE STAGE 6 HEADS I WANT TO BE 12.5 TO 13 COMP. BORE SIZE WILL DEPEND ON THE KIT. I WILL RUN A ROLLER CAM. What cc are the heads? You'll need to know that to pick the correct piston. There might not be an off the shelf stroker kit that gives you what you want. If it was me I'd use a Molnar crank with 7.100 rods and then look for a piston that gave me the compression ratio I wanted. Are your Stage VI heads any good? I think they would be the weak link in your engine.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Two “problems” I see with the proposed build of “750-800hp”.
The stock block and stage 6 heads.
The stock block will break(at some point), and the stage 6 heads likely aren’t big enough to make 750-800hp(unless they are the big Chapman’s).....without help from spray or boost.
If the goal is a “real” 750-800hp NA for a reliable bracket type build, I think the plan could use a few revisions.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Spoiler Alert: Sarcasm ahead!!!!!
He did say BEST.....
If you want the BEST then you start with a Winberg or Sonny Leonard billet crank, Carrillo or Crower rods (there are others but key is they have to cost over $1000 per set), Gibtec billet pistons, pins with DLC coating. You'll have $5000+ in the rotating assembly, but it will be the best at least the best made in USA stuff.
Then it goes in an aftermarket block, because it'd be a shame for a stock block to wipe out that amount of money in parts.
Then you put your Stage VI heads on Ebay and buy heads that really work.
Or maybe you didn't understand the meaning of the word, "best".
R. Who is Sonny Leonard? I know Sonny BRYANT makes crankshafts but not so sure about Sonny Leonard
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I wouldn't spend a bunch on crank and rods for a stock block build b/c when the block breaks, it'll likely take the rotating assembly with it.
Like Fast68 and dogdays said, you need better cylinder heads.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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If the stage 6’s will in fact be used, along with a stock block, I’d build either a 505RB or 511B, flat top pistons, easy on parts roller cam, and it would make whatever it makes.... which should still be enough to cause some issues for the stock block.
With std port stage 6’s, I don’t feel that 700hp would be a “slam dunk” by any means, on the dyno here.
You could always swap out the top end down the road for something more suited towards bigger power numbers......if you feel that you’d like to expidite the demise of the block.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I have a strong suspicion the OP has the stage 6 RB intake already.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I SENT THEM TO DUANE PORTER LAST YEAR. That is the right guy to send them to. If Dwayne did the heads then you should be ready to go. He'll probably have a record of what the combustion chamber size is too and he can provide you with a cam recommendation if you don't already have a cam. Do you have a Stage VI intake? If so, 4150 or 4500? You'll need a 4500 intake and carb to make the bigger power.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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well, if you don't have a stage VI RB intake manifold, one just got posted in the race parts section here... If it's the 4500 piece, that intake along with a 1050 really woke my 498 mech cam StageVI junk up.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I HAVE A STAGE 6 INTAKE 4150. I KNOW I WILL NEED A DIFFERENT INTAKE TO RUN A 4500 CARB. I AM LOOKING TO HIGH 9'S. What kind of car & weight ?
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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You don't need a big stroker to run in the high 9's
71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Any idea what the typical DA is where you race?
And for those keeping score....... I didn’t port Ricks heads...... I repaired them. They were suffering from the “not all that ususual for stage 6’s, the valve seats are loose syndrome”.
They’re std port stage 6’s with similar flow numbers to BradH’s old 6’s.
I’d probably lean towards to low deck 511 build myself. The 400 block is generally tougher and that combo can use a std RB intake manifold.
Flat tops .005 down the hole and .040 gaskets, heads at 72-73cc, would put it at right about 12.5:1cr.
I’d probably open the heads to MW size and run either an Indy 440-3 or the Edelbrock SV.
Put enough cam in it, should work pretty well.
That being said....... if it were in the budget, better flowing heads wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Sorry, wrong Sonny!
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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You don't need a big stroker to run in the high 9's Given what your old car in your signature ran, I think you'd agree that you don't need a stroker at all to run high 9s. A well-built 440/451 can do it with the right car combination, but it's not the way most people choose to go about it these days.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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According to my no's in a 3300lb all in car you only need 672fwhp on track to run S/G times@135mph.....Moroso s/rule will show even less. You don't need 500+ cubes to do it, 440/451 as said, put some decent gears in it (4.56+), and let it 60 and rev through the traps. 7k+
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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[quote You don't need 500+ cubes to do it, 440/451 as said, put some decent gears in it (4.56+), and let it 60 and rev through the traps. 7k+ [/quote] 4.56 gears Dwayne Porter spec cam Indy ez-1 heads dominator carb ...then let her eat
71 demon stock stroke 440/indy ez-1 running 10.10 @ 132.14 mph in the 1/4 and 6.36 @ 107.46 mph in the 1/8 not in the same weekend but It did it then I sold it. 67 Belvedere that worked it's way in the 10's
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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A build like this should easily make 1.25ft/lb per ci.
You have to buy a crank, rods, and pistons anyway...... the extra cubes are free. I’ll take the extra 80ft/lbs of torque for no additional charge please.
The Moroso chart shows 650hp for a 9.80@3300lbs. I’d be targeting a solid 10%+ over that to account for a less that optimal chassis set up and air quality/density.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Just lose 500 pounds and do it with 906 heads, stock rods and crank, TRW pistons, and old school technology like we did 30 plus years ago. You guys are spoiled. Lol 😂
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Just lose 500 pounds and do it with 906 heads, stock rods and crank, TRW pistons, and old school technology like we did 30 plus years ago. You guys are spoiled. Lol 😂 👍For the guys still doing it that way!
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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Another way to go about it, if you aren’t up for buying any top end parts initially, and don’t like the prospect of potentially having to buy stuff more than once...... build the RB 505 and reuse your entire top end. Then, if that doesn’t get you where you want to be....... replace the top end with something “bigger”, and sell off what you have.
If you do a low deck, you’ll have to buy an intake, then when you upgraded the heads, you’d have to buy another one.
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I AM OLD. THE CAPS ARE ON SO I CAN READ THE DAM THING. LOL. try hitting two keys on your keyboard at the same time. the ctrl key, and the "+" key or the "-", you can make the browser bigger or smaller and turn the caps key off...
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Re: 440 STROKER KIT
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I AM OLD. THE CAPS ARE ON SO I CAN READ THE DAM THING. LOL. try hitting two keys on your keyboard at the same time. the ctrl key, and the "+" key or the "-", you can make the browser bigger or smaller and turn the caps key off... WoW I'm not that old but I learned something today!
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