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How do racers like Tru Start #2516522
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One vote here..... i love it.
Our local track doesnt use it. Like that Norwalk does.
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Never have raced where they had it, but I like the idea of it.

If I had the choice, I’d prefer it be used.


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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516529
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Okay.........what's Tru Start?

Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: justinp61] #2516531
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Originally Posted By justinp61
Okay.........what's Tru Start?


Even in a handicapped bracket race if the slower car goes red, he can still win if the faster car goes red worse.
So if both go red, the lesser red wins.
Usually slow car goes red its over, no matter what faster car does


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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516535
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I have never done it, but I vote yes


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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516536
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If you want to get the benefit if you red light, build a quicker car. That's one of the few benefits you get for spending thousands to go quicker.
Just my 2 cents
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Quick breakdown.

Slow cars love it

Fast cars hate it

And middle running cars are 50-50


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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: pittsburghracer] #2516538
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Originally Posted By pittsburghracer
Quick breakdown.

Slow cars love it

Fast cars hate it

And middle running cars are 50-50



Perfect.


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516541
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I've only run it at Norwalk and when I was the slow car in my class I loved it. Now I'm the fast car and don't like it as much. LOL...just as John said.

I do think it is more fair.

Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516563
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Originally Posted By B3422W5
Originally Posted By justinp61
Okay.........what's Tru Start?


Even in a handicapped bracket race if the slower car goes red, he can still win if the faster car goes red worse.
So if both go red, the lesser red wins.
Usually slow car goes red its over, no matter what faster car does


Ahhh........I see said the blind man.

Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: dvw] #2516566
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Originally Posted By dvw
If you want to get the benefit if you red light, build a quicker car. That's one of the few benefits you get for spending thousands to go quicker.
Just my 2 cents
Doug

Doug I agree completely.


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It's different, for sure. It is used at Bristol in the bracket racing series. Just last week I had to spot a car a little over 7 seconds (sportsman, 1/4 mile), I bumped in at my leave RPM's, then dropped to an idle, leaned over and watched her leave. Looked like she drilled me, her green light on. I go back to my side of tree (7 sec spot, I got plenty of time!), bring the RPM's back up, and hammered the tree, .013, then, as I go by the tree, her red light popped on (she is -.024). Caught me by surprise, I had to look again, then I saw my win light on. It does take some getting used to.
There was also a run later on in the class where both drivers recorded -.001. I believe that the clocks count more decimals than the printer prints.
I have one of the faster cars in the class (10.60's, quickest car usually 9.90's with a couple of 10.30's/10.20's in between us), but it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I try to run my own race. I'm just happy to have a nice place to race 1/4 mile!

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edit: In the picture, you can see her green light on, but it popped red just as I cleared the beams.

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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: cudatom] #2516599
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I managed an easy runner up in a true street radial class last year because I was the faster guy and my opponents red-lit 3 times in a row against me... eek


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Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: B3422W5] #2516619
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I like it! I am a 10.50 car so right in the middle.
I guess the goal is to not red light at all, being fast or slow.

Re: How do racers like Tru Start [Re: GY3] #2516623
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The old rule of first or worse rule doesn't apply now? confused
Sounds like some sore looser have used politics to get a second chance now down twocents
This post make me think that maybe I need to put no cross talk on my car work devil boogie
I do remember a bracket racer years ago, 1973 era, that would dial around a 1/10 faster than his opponent and then leave on his opponents car movement, I ended up beating him later that year not knowing what he was doing until later work shruggy
To win in bracket or any type of break out racing you need to drive the starting and finish line better than the other driver shruggy
Heads up racing is another story altogether, especially when a good driver can beat a faster car work


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As far as I see it, this actually does make the worst the loser. If both redlight, the worst should be the loser, after all, it is the same infraction. Worst should apply when one commits a worse infraction than the other.

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Originally Posted By gofish
As far as I see it, this actually does make the worst the loser. If both redlight, the worst should be the loser, after all, it is the same infraction. Worst should apply when one commits a worse infraction than the other.

Danny


Exact same take i have regards it.


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Who comes up with these new rules ? The STREET OUT LAW bunch? Whats the point? to see if the faster car red lights? It's always been ,first or worst, but never heard of a worst red light loosing.


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I believe Peter Biondo came up with it. Could be wrong. Fist time I remember seeing it was at the "Fling" in Las Vegas. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
And you've never seen two cars dialed close and both were actually red? It happens a lot more than you realize in top bulb racing. Actual results from rd 1 at Bristol last week: Slow car 6.56 dial leaves -.005, faster car dialed 6.18 leaves -.019. Fast car gets red light. Both of them (w/ delay boxes) leave off of the same signal. Worse foul loses. With out Tru start, slow car loses. Different? Yes. Right or wrong? I don't know. It's what we got to work with today.


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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge

To win in bracket or any type of break out racing you need to drive the starting and finish line better than the other driver


This statement seems to contradict the earlier portion of your post. If I'm leaving first, kick it .001 red...but you leave second but go .010 red...who drove the starting line better? Numbers say my 001 is closer than your 010. Given TruStart shows my lane as green initially, my red didn't influence your RT.


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