How do racers like Tru Start
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One vote here..... i love it. Our local track doesnt use it. Like that Norwalk does. Less gift wins for big wallet cars
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Never have raced where they had it, but I like the idea of it.
If I had the choice, I’d prefer it be used.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Okay.........what's Tru Start? Even in a handicapped bracket race if the slower car goes red, he can still win if the faster car goes red worse. So if both go red, the lesser red wins. Usually slow car goes red its over, no matter what faster car does
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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I have never done it, but I vote yes
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Quick breakdown.
Slow cars love it
Fast cars hate it
And middle running cars are 50-50
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Quick breakdown.
Slow cars love it
Fast cars hate it
And middle running cars are 50-50 Perfect.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Okay.........what's Tru Start? Even in a handicapped bracket race if the slower car goes red, he can still win if the faster car goes red worse. So if both go red, the lesser red wins. Usually slow car goes red its over, no matter what faster car does Ahhh........I see said the blind man.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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If you want to get the benefit if you red light, build a quicker car. That's one of the few benefits you get for spending thousands to go quicker. Just my 2 cents Doug Doug I agree completely.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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It's different, for sure. It is used at Bristol in the bracket racing series. Just last week I had to spot a car a little over 7 seconds (sportsman, 1/4 mile), I bumped in at my leave RPM's, then dropped to an idle, leaned over and watched her leave. Looked like she drilled me, her green light on. I go back to my side of tree (7 sec spot, I got plenty of time!), bring the RPM's back up, and hammered the tree, .013, then, as I go by the tree, her red light popped on (she is -.024). Caught me by surprise, I had to look again, then I saw my win light on. It does take some getting used to. There was also a run later on in the class where both drivers recorded -.001. I believe that the clocks count more decimals than the printer prints. I have one of the faster cars in the class (10.60's, quickest car usually 9.90's with a couple of 10.30's/10.20's in between us), but it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I try to run my own race. I'm just happy to have a nice place to race 1/4 mile!
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edit: In the picture, you can see her green light on, but it popped red just as I cleared the beams.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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As far as I see it, this actually does make the worst the loser. If both redlight, the worst should be the loser, after all, it is the same infraction. Worst should apply when one commits a worse infraction than the other.
Danny Exact same take i have regards it.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Who comes up with these new rules ? The STREET OUT LAW bunch? Whats the point? to see if the faster car red lights? It's always been ,first or worst, but never heard of a worst red light loosing.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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To win in bracket or any type of break out racing you need to drive the starting and finish line better than the other driver
This statement seems to contradict the earlier portion of your post. If I'm leaving first, kick it .001 red...but you leave second but go .010 red...who drove the starting line better? Numbers say my 001 is closer than your 010. Given TruStart shows my lane as green initially, my red didn't influence your RT.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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To win in bracket or any type of break out racing you need to drive the starting and finish line better than the other driver
This statement seems to contradict the earlier portion of your post. If I'm leaving first, kick it .001 red...but you leave second but go .010 red...who drove the starting line better? Numbers say my 001 is closer than your 010. Given TruStart shows my lane as green initially, my red didn't influence your RT. Before all the electronics got used at the tracks like today I was usually driving a faster car, if the other racer red lighted I would leave as soon as I saw his red light and treat that run as a single and even let off at the first MPH light, lots of racers back then didn't know what we know today I've had conversations with some of them later at the track and they didn't understand how I could out run them to the other end when they red lighted and I ran slower than my dial Originally first or worse meant exactly that, if the first racer red lighted and the other racer didn't hit the guardrail or cross the center line he won just like all the national events rules are raced with today As far as you under standing my comment about needing to drive better than the other racer on the starting line and finish line to win, think about that Another thing to consider is what happens when the first driver red lights and the second driver red lights worst because he didn't see the other side red light and he crashes and ends up suing the track about that lack of information distribution on that run which could have help him not have to race at WOT and possibly helped prevent that crash I think the only persons that are reaping benefits from this new type system is the companies selling those new system for more money to the tracks, NOT GOOD Not all rule changes are good, just look at the Affordable Care Act
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Personally I believe it is a good thing. First or worst is what we have all been told. The only place that didn't pertain was at the tree. It was first period. 10.00 car goes -.001 and the 8.50 car goes -.025 red and still wins..
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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I agree with DVW Tru Start has no place in bottom bulb bracket or mixed index racing.
I like the fact that the current rules now encourage people to build a faster car.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Tell me how easy it is to sit on a full tree, foot brake, no rev chip against a 5 second spot , big advantage, not. Doug Why are you looking at him? If you are, he's already in your head. 5 second spot, count to four, bring the revs up to what you leave at and be ready for your light. From one of the things said in above posts, buy backs. IMO the single most terrible rule to come about.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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I agree with DVW Tru Start has no place in bottom bulb bracket or mixed index racing.
I like the fact that the current rules now encourage people to build a faster car. The flip side of that arguement is that by taking away the big advantage the faster car has, the possibility arises that more people might compete because the wallet becomes much less a factor. Might ask the Bader’s at Norwalk about that, they are very astute business people
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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What about instant green? Heck take the red bulb out entirely. Then the timeslip will tell the story. Make it real fair, just flip a coin, just have to have a picture of a race car. Bracket racing came about because you could run anything, run any ET, run within your budget and not be run over by the money bags. One reason it's lasted almost 50 years. With tru start, everything is evened up finally.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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What about instant green? Heck take the red bulb out entirely. Then the timeslip will tell the story. Make it real fair, just flip a coin, just have to have a picture of a race car. How about just drawing straws? Buy backs, sure, no problem. Plus, you wouldn't have to worry about overheating or broken parts.
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What about instant green? Heck take the red bulb out entirely. Then the timeslip will tell the story. Make it real fair, just flip a coin, just have to have a picture of a race car. How about just drawing straws? Buy backs, sure, no problem. Plus, you wouldn't have to worry about overheating or broken parts. But let the guys with the faster cars have the option to draw first. After all they have spent more money to make their cars faster so thay are "entitled" to choose when to draw.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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OK so back to tru-start, who wins on a double red double breakout? Worst red-light race over
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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OK so back to tru-start, who wins on a double red double breakout? Worst red-light race over Are you sure What about the first or worst rule ? I've been screwed by NHRA officials in the past because I beat the NHRA directors sister twice at a bracket race, she was lame on the light, the first run I was told that I had to race again because she didn't get a timeslip, [ Moparts Family Site - Keep it Friendly ] second time I beat her more and they swore I broke out when I was on the brakes before the first MPH light and let off around 1200 FT This new True Start deal sounds like someone is trying to get more racers to play, why does the slower car get a second chance after red lighting first This sounds like the new age rules of nobody looses, every body gets a trophy Time to get the political action committee busy
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Has nothing to do with who I'm racing being in my head. Heck I've had to spot a car 7 sec in an 1/8 mile race. Yes the guy really was running 14 plus sec in the 1/8.
When he red lit I used the run as another test run. Didn't care about the light and left immediately. Thereis no reason to keep it against the convertor any longer than I have to.
If you are saying you aren't able to see the opponents red light then they must block the light better than where I go.
Personally I'm w/Cab and Doug on this and I'm no where near one of the fastest cars at my track and have no problem w/the rules as they are.
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The slower car is always at a disadvantage for a variety of reasons. Tru-start eliminates one of them. Personally, I don't care as long as everyone plays by the same rules.
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If your car can't handle being on the converter...change converters or add a restictor plate.
I've had to race 18 second pickup trucks at the Mopar Nats two years straight...nothing you can do. No problems with the convertor. And I agree about the luck of the draw. But giving 8-9 sec in the 1/4 is different than over 7 in the 1/8th. Thats just a lot of track to make up in such a short distance. Heck when I'm running a mid 4 sec dragster he only has to give up a little over 2 sec. Just my opinion like everyone else. I feel the faster car gets that break. Been on both sides of it. I'm just lucky to have many track options in Ohio. I can choose to race where I agree with their rules.
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Re: How do racers like Tru Start
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Tell me how easy it is to sit on a full tree, foot brake, no rev chip against a 5 second spot , big advantage, not. Doug Bingo.. 1st buy back's. now this nonsense.. no thanks..
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This is the 2nd year that our track has been using Tru Start. I like it!!
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Better safe than sorry. Lol
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This is the 2nd year that our track has been using Tru Start. I like it!! Yup, I've raced at Numidia with it and I love it. I've been the faster car with it, the slower car with it, have won rounds with it and have lost rounds with it. All I care about is a fair race and Tru-Start makes it fair. Handicapped bracket racing was borne out of traditional drag racing with the 'worse redlight' rule, so the same rule should have always applied to bracket racing. Now it does thanks to Tru-Start.
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