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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25078 07/15/06 08:38 PM 07/15/06 08:38 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada 7 78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!!
78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	One word, Cal, WOW!! Might wanna add a flash warning to that first one, though. You were spraying rustoleum, correct? It looks Fantastic. I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 78D150CLUB] #25079 07/15/06 09:16 PM 07/15/06 09:16 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Cal96-- That looks awesome. If i remember correctly, you're also spraying with a wagner? I just bought mine on monday and have been working on one panel I have off the car while I do the rest of the body work. I'm having problems with runs. What mixture ratio are you using and what setting are you using on the knob behind the trigger? And did you wet sand every coat, or wait until the end or what? Every two coats?

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 78D150CLUB] #25080 07/15/06 09:19 PM 07/15/06 09:19 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	78D150CLUB, indeed it was..i also think the roller way can also acheive this shine too..actually im positive . after buffing i knew it can come out even better than it looks now cause some parts was sanded 800 grit =X and i ran it fast with 1500 ...imagine if i thoroughly sanded it 1500 then 2000? lets just say i ran out of time working on this car..i needed it and what killed it for me that make it took so long was the [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean] heat. my back is so freakin dark! blah. anyhow, im happy with the outcome and can actually lie and say its a brand new paint job and not have to mention rustoleum and get away with it haha. have fun all. its worth it. and thx to everyone that was involved

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25081 07/15/06 09:30 PM 07/15/06 09:30 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	yup i got the wagner, $70 bucks. dont know the ratio but there should be a small cup with a small hole in the bottom in the box...the paint should finished just over 14 sec when filled...you should have a menu too. also i learned buy one roller so when it happen to drip roll it up! yah, i used the button on the trigger... i put on full on my last final coat. Gl! edit i wetsanded it after 2 coats..i guess you can call it 2..depending how much you sprayed the first time.. 800grit and some parts scuffed. Last edited by Cal96; 07/16/06 04:33 AM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25082 07/15/06 09:35 PM 07/15/06 09:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada 7 78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!!
78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	I'm experimenting with a metallic layer (very light dust coat) sprayed from about 18 inches away between unsanded coats, so it's taking a bit longer for me. Good thing I have a second vehicle and the truck is an ongoing project. I hope the shine comes up as nice as your car did. I'm not worrying about some of the small bumps and bruises, the box isn't the correct one, and I hope to locate a new set of doors and fenders in the future. Right now, it's gonna be a daily driver, cause that's where the fun is I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25083 07/15/06 09:56 PM 07/15/06 09:56 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	Quote: I was going to do the Tremclad way and still may if this does not work out ,but I am looking a two tone gray scheme I tryed mixing stock tremclad gray with other mixed grays to get the shades I was looking for.It can be done but could not be reproduced should I need at a later date.The bright side Steel Gray and Kingston Gray matchup almost perfectly at least in the color chart. Sorry for the long post. Bryan Well I am in the midst of advancing one of my theories into reality and you might be interested in this. I went over to the Michael's Craft Store ( I believe they have locations in Canada and the States ) and I picked up two can's of KRYLON red metalflake ( sparkles ) paint. Normally you would spray this paint on crafts or candles to give them a sparkling effect. This Krylon 'sparkle' paint should be available in other stores that stock crafting supplies or have a good selection of Krylon spray paints. So I rushed home and gave a test spray of this sparkle paint on my test piece. The result BLEW ME AWAY. It changed the appearance of my Fire Red to more of a Candy Red ( with zillions of little red sparkles merging beautifully with the red paint. I could have gone with the gold sparkles or the silver sparkles... but I wanted something 'subtle'... This experiment might be of interest to you with the gun metal gray. If you were to lay on one coat of gun metal gray, then give it a light sanding, give it a spray of the silver sparkles and then lay on your next coat of gun metal gray I believe you will end up with a gun metal gray with the look of a Ford mineral gray ( with those little silver flecks caught between the layers echoing the sunlight off them... My plan of action is to do the above steps twice.. basically a ) fire red Brightside layer b ) red sparkles layer c ) fird red Brightside layer If I like the look of it at this point I will stop... if I want to add a little more sparkle and depth to the paint job I will proceed to another... d ) red sparkles layer e ) fire red layer - final coat I am pretty sure at this point that it should also work with the Tremclad / Rustoleum paint process as well - since the layers that are being put on are fairly translucent. So this is a viable way ( at $5.99 per spray can ) to get metal flake into your paint job and go a step ahead of the one dimensional single color paint jobs. Last edited by Marq; 07/15/06 10:12 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: kenzo42] #25084 07/15/06 10:04 PM 07/15/06 10:04 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	Quote: Marq, you mentioned recently that Brightside has their own wax system. Have you learned any more information on this? Also, did you get a chance to get any more pictures taken? I've been anxiously awaiting Saturday for pictures! I only gave the wax system a 'slight look' over the past week. At the moment I not near a stage where my pocket book needs to make a purchase in that area.... so I am basically concentrating on this 'sparkle paint' ( by Krylon ) sprayed between layers of Brightside experiment. What I will be doing on Saturday morning is giving my current Brightside paintjob ( the one you last saw in the pictures ) a quick rub down with 1200 grit sand paper... then I am going to spray the 'metalic sparkle' paint onto the upper half of the McLaren ( Mustang )) from the rubber side moldings up ) and then lay a fresh layer of Brightside Fire Red over it ( to trap and protect the little sparkles between the layers. It should give the upper half of the car a slightly different 'red look' then the lower half - sort of a two-tone effect. The one thing that I had noticed about Charger's paint job is that the various angles on his cars body were angular enough to reflect different colors of orange by the way the sunlight was hitting the car. In one of his pictures you could almost count five variation in his orange which gave it almost a laser effect. I think that is why his car looks so drop dead good in the pictures... the way the cars body lines are flattered by how the sun reflects off the paint. I am hoping the subdued sparkles in my Fire Red will achieve a similar effect and echo different shades of red from the various angles on the body. It might be better for me to plan on shooting some pictures on Sunday to see if I can get some pictures that will reflect how this sparkle paint by Krylon can become another tool in everyones arsenal of weapons to tweak the look of their paint jobs to a higher level... Wish me luck... but so far the test pieces look like this will be a drop dead knockout. . Last edited by Marq; 07/15/06 10:24 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25085 07/15/06 10:22 PM 07/15/06 10:22 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada 7 78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!!
78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	I used the silver metallic for my green, but the red Krylon sounds like it should work great. Can't wait to see pictures of your results. My POC digital camera doesn't pick up the full effect of the sparkle on mine, in person it really glows. Good luck, and enjoy the heat (yea, right) I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 78D150CLUB] #25086 07/15/06 10:29 PM 07/15/06 10:29 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada Marq mopar addict
Marq mopar addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 575 Canada	Quote: I used the silver metallic for my green, but the red Krylon sounds like it should work great. Can't wait to see pictures of your results. My POC digital camera doesn't pick up the full effect of the sparkle on mine, in person it really glows. Good luck, and enjoy the heat (yea, right) When you sprayed your silver sparkles.. how many spray cans did you use for the entire vehicle for each layer ? I bought two cans... and I figure that if I just lightly spray the entire car ( more like a dusting of the spray rather than a saturation ) I should be able to get away with one spray can per trapped layer ? What type of concentration did you spray between layers ? And what level of density were you trying to achieve 'heavy metalic sparkle' or 'subtle metalic sparkle' etc ? . Last edited by Marq; 07/15/06 10:34 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25087 07/15/06 10:39 PM 07/15/06 10:39 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada 7 78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!!
78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	As light as I'm applying it, I think i'll use about 3 cans, tops, but I'm applying between every 2 layers, and going for 10 layers to get the depth. I think my truck has a lot more surface area than a McClaren, so you will probably be good with 2, but 3 definitely should be sufficient. I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 78D150CLUB] #25088 07/15/06 11:07 PM 07/15/06 11:07 PM
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25089 07/15/06 11:08 PM 07/15/06 11:08 PM
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25090 07/15/06 11:10 PM 07/15/06 11:10 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	in the cracks is all the goo, wax, compund from sanding and buffing...what a mess! but this is what i used too... 2771213-P001433.jpg (1452 downloads) Last edited by Cal96; 07/15/06 11:11 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25091 07/16/06 12:33 AM 07/16/06 12:33 AM
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Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,378 Rancho Cordova, CA	Quote: in the cracks is all the goo, wax, compund from sanding and buffing...what a mess! but this is what i used too... Cal, that looks amazing man. Good job! I will have to grab some of that thinner you used and use it when mixing up paint for spray in my new refillable spray can I picked up at harbor freight today. And to think I have a compressor and even a HVLP gun, but pumping up a spray can with a bicycle pump and filling it with paint seems to fit better with applying the paint with a roller. This is a totally hand powered, hippie style paint job.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25092 07/16/06 01:02 AM 07/16/06 01:02 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: yup i got the wagner, $70 bucks. dont know the ratio but there should be a small cup with a small hole in the bottom in the box...the paint should finished just over 14 sec when filled...you should have a menu too. also i learned buy one roller so when it happen to drip roll it up! yah, i used the button on the trigger... i put on full on my last final coat. Gl! 14 seconds, really? Wow, mine is at like 25. I will use the rollers next time i have a drip, good tip. What do you mean "you should have a menu too"? And how did you figure out how much to turn that button on the trigger? New pics look awesome.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #25093 07/16/06 04:22 AM 07/16/06 04:22 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	25? so you would have to use more thinner but i will say i couldnt get it smooth as Exit1965 after he's done rolling...so you would have to adjust according to how hot it is outside...if its hot you might want to add more thinner. so since mines didnt come out as smooth, i had a lot of water sanding to do. i meant manual lol. not menu on the trigger its not that much of a deal cause the adjustment isnt that wide of a range to be anythign serious. and thx guys on the comments

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: C38coupe] #25094 07/16/06 04:53 AM 07/16/06 04:53 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Hey Marq, how bout some pictures of your progress?

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965] #25095 07/16/06 05:06 AM 07/16/06 05:06 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	thx man... i bought the thinner at home depo, it contains mineral spirits also. the spray makes alot more of mess then the roller thats for sure.my concret is all green i think your roller method is fine.lots of shine when you showed your pictures...less wet sanding too. i think it came down to the thinner (maybe) and the buffing. how you appy it is different but how it goes on is the same...one goes on faster then the other...one has to be wetsanded more (maybe) i couldnt adjust it right so it wouldnt get orange peels but eithe way we both end up wetsanding it...one more then the other...so no more $50 dollar paint job if you buy the gun. take your pick you live and you learn. now its time to paint the dog house...hehe Last edited by Cal96; 07/16/06 05:09 AM.

One question and I'll decide on color.... #25096 07/16/06 09:25 AM 07/16/06 09:25 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 756 North Florida R RebelDart super street
RebelDart super street R Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 756 North Florida	My only question - since not seeing anything in person - are thes paint jobs show quality ? If so (or darn close)- would you opt for this method OVER traditional (budget not being an issue). I am ready to go either way here at the house.

Re: One question and I'll decide on color.... [Re: RebelDart] #25097 07/16/06 09:42 AM 07/16/06 09:42 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Cal- Okay thanks man. RebelDart- It's good, but it's not show quality. If you really want that you're going to have to go spend a lot of money.

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