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. Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain #249285 03/10/09 09:58 AM 03/10/09 09:58 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Just recently I have noticed a really awful sound coming from my roadrunner's drive train. All has been well and the car has been running perfectly for months. Just last week I noticed when I accelerate I get an awful noise like nuts and bolts falling off the car. I stopped and checked on the road and all was well. This has happened a few times as of late and I thought maybe the fan was loose and hitting the radiator as that is what it sounds like, but all is tight and no problems there. Yesterday it made that same noise right at start up too, but only for a second and went right away The car runs perfect and drives fine so it's a very intermittent noise at best. I have crawled underneath and checked and retightend everything I can think of. I thought something might be loose and rattling around. The noise is like rocks being thrown in the fan. So any ideas on what to look for next? Like I said the car operates perfectly except for once in awhile when it makes that ugly noise only on hard acceleration or at startup. Thanks for any ideas.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249286 03/10/09 10:02 AM 03/10/09 10:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Check your torque converter bolts. Did you take down the driveshaft and check the u joints??

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MoparforLife] #249287 03/10/09 10:14 AM 03/10/09 10:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: Check your torque converter bolts. Did you take down the driveshaft and check the u joints?? No i have only visually checked the driveshaft and u-joints and all looked fine. I recently had a new 4-speed automatic installed though and i got all new u-joints and a new driveshart. I can pull the inspection cover and check the bolts on the torque convertor if that is what you mean.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249288 03/10/09 10:30 AM 03/10/09 10:30 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I've had cat. converters get noisy when they die, I wonder if mufflers do the same thing?

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: ] #249289 03/10/09 10:34 AM 03/10/09 10:34 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: I've had cat. converters get noisy when they die, I wonder if mufflers do the same thing? You know that crossed my mind too. I have the DYNOMAX mufflers that came with my TTI exhaust system. Think one of them came apart inside??

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MoparforLife] #249290 03/10/09 10:36 AM 03/10/09 10:36 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Torque converter bolts for sure, had the same thing once! Make sure you loc-tite them down too or it will keep coming back!

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain #249291 03/10/09 10:43 AM 03/10/09 10:43 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies	can you narrow it down a bit for the location? youve got the fan torque converter all the way back to the muffler so far. i need a smaller area. so lets see, bad clutch fan? detonation??? hd mufflers come apart- rap on it and see if you hear a tinny sound). exhaust pipe rattling against the frame? torque converter bolts loos (although when they are loose, you usually have that noise all the time at the same conditions). does the noise speed up as you accelerate? you said you have it under hard acceleration- does it always do it? open the windows and drive by those concrete barriers and theyll reflect the noise back at you (but its hard to tell where its coming from. You need to get it on jackstand and see if you can get it to do it while standing still (rap on things, look around) and then start it and accellerate (be careful)

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: aarcuda] #249292 03/10/09 10:49 AM 03/10/09 10:49 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	Really sounds like Torque converter bolts to me too. Time to get the car in the air and "nut and bolt it" end to end. Throw a wrench or socket on everything under there. It was all put together in the past couple years, and with different parts. You may find only a few, or you may find a lot of stuff, but it's worth it for peace of mind.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: aarcuda] #249293 03/10/09 10:51 AM 03/10/09 10:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,527 minnesota Kirby pro stock
Kirby pro stock Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,527 minnesota	If you are running stock manifolds- check the "flapper" in the passenger side one. I have had 2 cars where they were loose- and made some crazy sounds that were initially hard to locate.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249294 03/10/09 10:52 AM 03/10/09 10:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas 340727dart master
340727dart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas	Quote: Quote: I've had cat. converters get noisy when they die, I wonder if mufflers do the same thing? You know that crossed my mind too. I have the DYNOMAX mufflers that came with my TTI exhaust system. Think one of them came apart inside?? Stu, you need to get rid of those DynoMax mufflers and get some of sunroofcuda's new mufflers. Your life is not my fault. My life is none of your business. Speech is free only if you agree with those in control.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249295 03/10/09 11:23 AM 03/10/09 11:23 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA Jim_Lusk I Live Here
Jim_Lusk I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 18,678 Fresno, CA	Another vote for torque convertor bolts, but stu it is more likely that some pig who has found about Baconfest has sabotaged your car in an attempt to keep from the festivities........

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249296 03/10/09 11:25 AM 03/10/09 11:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Quote: Quote: Quote: I've had cat. converters get noisy when they die, I wonder if mufflers do the same thing? You know that crossed my mind too. I have the DYNOMAX mufflers that came with my TTI exhaust system. Think one of them came apart inside?? Stu, you need to get rid of those DynoMax mufflers and get some of sunroofcuda's new mufflers. Yes baffles do come loose in mufflers and can make a lot of rattling noises.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MoparforLife] #249297 03/10/09 12:01 PM 03/10/09 12:01 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Broken Motor Mount...When you hit the throttle the driver side of the engine will lift & the fan will hit the shroud.... Lift the hood, start the car, keep your foot on the brake, put the car in gear & watch te engine as you give it some gas... You'll know immediately...

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #249298 03/10/09 07:14 PM 03/10/09 07:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Ok i took off the Torque Converer inspection plate and found these parts rattling around in there. What are they?? 5084147-steeringwheel001.jpg (66 downloads)

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249299 03/10/09 07:18 PM 03/10/09 07:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas 340727dart master
340727dart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas	That round piece looks like the torque converter hub. I have no idea about that other piece. Your life is not my fault. My life is none of your business. Speech is free only if you agree with those in control.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249300 03/10/09 07:20 PM 03/10/09 07:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,623 Millinocket, Maine J JonC master
JonC master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,623 Millinocket, Maine	Muffler bearing.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249301 03/10/09 07:21 PM 03/10/09 07:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Looks like the nose off a Mini-starter...

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249302 03/10/09 07:22 PM 03/10/09 07:22 PM
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MowP4rsn master Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,052 Madera, CA.	Whatever it is, it doesn't look good!

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #249303 03/10/09 07:22 PM 03/10/09 07:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas 340727dart master
340727dart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,144 Arkansas	Quote: Looks like the nose off a Mini-starter... Hmm. Now that you mention it, that piece on the left looks like part of a starter. Your life is not my fault. My life is none of your business. Speech is free only if you agree with those in control.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249304 03/10/09 07:33 PM 03/10/09 07:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	Well, you have found the cause of the noise, now to FIX it!

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 340727dart] #249305 03/10/09 07:34 PM 03/10/09 07:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Quote: Looks like the nose off a Mini-starter... Hmm. Now that you mention it, that piece on the left looks like part of a starter. And the piece on the right I'm waiting for someone from Keisler to ID...

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: JonC] #249306 03/10/09 07:56 PM 03/10/09 07:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,853 Witness Protection Program Kudakidd master
Kudakidd master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,853 Witness Protection Program	Quote: Muffler bearing.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #249307 03/10/09 08:11 PM 03/10/09 08:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Yep it's the front of the mini starter that broke off. It's got probably less than 50 start ups and it already busted. Is nothing made well anymore?? Thanks guys for the advice as you pointed me in the right direction of where to look. Stu

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249308 03/10/09 09:28 PM 03/10/09 09:28 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild T ThermoQuad top fuel
ThermoQuad top fuel T Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,466 Answering the call of the wild	Hey Stu i think you have a bolt or a nut loose somewhere...perhaps on the starter

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: ThermoQuad] #249309 03/10/09 09:30 PM 03/10/09 09:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: Hey Stu i think you have a bolt or a nut loose somewhere...perhaps on the starter More likely in my head.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249310 03/10/09 10:03 PM 03/10/09 10:03 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada 7 78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!!
78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	Quote: Quote: Hey Stu i think you have a bolt or a nut loose somewhere...perhaps on the starter More likely in my head. I was thinking the nut behind the wheel might be a bit loose, too. My son just had the same thing happen on his car, but the whole nose of the starter broke off, right back to the mounting. Jammed in the ring gear and he thought the motor had seized up. I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 78D150CLUB] #249311 03/10/09 10:50 PM 03/10/09 10:50 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: My son just had the same thing happen on his car, but the whole nose of the starter broke off, right back to the mounting. Jammed in the ring gear and he thought the motor had seized up. Oh goody so now it's a class action thing!!!!!!!!!! Where are the mini starter tar and feather smiles!!

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: Kudakidd] #249312 03/11/09 10:19 AM 03/11/09 10:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 211 Tennessee Keisler Sales
Keisler Sales Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 211 Tennessee	Quote: Quote: Muffler bearing. That is a great picture. Stu glad to hear you found out your issue. Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com #1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: Keisler Sales] #249313 03/11/09 10:32 AM 03/11/09 10:32 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies	whats the round piece? What part of the mini starter is that? and lets see a picture of the broken starter! Any ideas why it broke? maybe it had been dropped before it was installed??? If its some sort of alignment issue with the ring gear, the next one could break just as fast. btw, how does the ring gear look?

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: aarcuda] #249314 03/11/09 10:38 AM 03/11/09 10:38 AM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: whats the round piece? What part of the mini starter is that? and lets see a picture of the broken starter! Any ideas why it broke? maybe it had been dropped before it was installed??? If its some sort of alignment issue with the ring gear, the next one could break just as fast. btw, how does the ring gear look? The piece that broke off is the front end of the mini starter and from what i can see via the inspection area there is no damage to the ring gear luckly. The shop that installed the Keisler transmission is going to replace the mini starter in a few days as they sold it to me. I have no idea why it would break other then a bad casting on the part of the manufacture of the starter. Hopefully yhe next one will not do this again. I drive the roadrunner like a little old lady so i know the breakage was not from any abuse on my part.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249315 03/11/09 11:59 AM 03/11/09 11:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,976 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,976 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Ok i took off the Torque Converer inspection plate and found these parts rattling around in there. What are they?? stu do those 2 pieces fit together ? I'm going out on a limb and say the Kiesler trans does not have a pilot for the snout of the starter to fit it , so I would be curious to know WHY that broke off Last edited by Johnahah; 03/11/09 09:10 PM.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 78D150CLUB] #249316 03/11/09 01:32 PM 03/11/09 01:32 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies	Quote: Quote: Quote: Hey Stu i think you have a bolt or a nut loose somewhere...perhaps on the starter More likely in my head. I was thinking the nut behind the wheel might be a bit loose, too. My son just had the same thing happen on his car, but the whole nose of the starter broke off, right back to the mounting. Jammed in the ring gear and he thought the motor had seized up. did you sons car have a keisler tranny? johnahah may be on to something

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: JohnRR] #249317 03/11/09 05:33 PM 03/11/09 05:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: Quote: Ok i took off the Torque Converer inspection plate and found these parts rattling around in there. What are they?? stu do those 2 pieces fit together ? I'm going out on a limb and say the Kieselr trans does not have a pilot for the snout of the starter to fit it , so I would be curious to know WHY that broke off Yes John, the two pieces do fit together to make the nose cone of the starter. I have no idea why it broke but the shop who did the tranny install put the ministarter in at the same time. They are sending a tech over to my place right now to see it.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249318 03/11/09 05:52 PM 03/11/09 05:52 PM
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Darius master Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,712 Sacramento, Ca	Glad you found the problem Stu. I was going to suggest removing all the empty cans from the trunk and see if that would have made a difference. Driving modern convenience in classic beauty

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: Darius] #249319 03/11/09 06:32 PM 03/11/09 06:32 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Here's a photo of my original Mopar starter and one of an EXTRA mini-starter i have. This is not the broken one as it's still attached to the engine. You can see the mini would take up even less room than the standard starter so i do not think it breaking off has anything to do with the Keisler bellhousing. 5086485-Ministarter.jpg (42 downloads)

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249320 03/11/09 06:37 PM 03/11/09 06:37 PM
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68HemiB master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal	Quote: Here's a photo of my original Mopar starter and one of an EXTRA mini-starter i have. This is not the broken one as it's still attached to the engine. You can see the mini would take up even less room than the standard starter so i do not think it breaking off has anything to do with the Keisler bellhousing. Does the Keisler bellhousing have a bunch of empty space in the area of the starter's nose, or is there a relief meant to accept the nose of the starter? From here, it looks like the nose of the mini starter is a bit bigger. Down to just a blue car now.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 68HemiB] #249321 03/11/09 07:01 PM 03/11/09 07:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	I do know how much room is in the bellhouseing as of now but when they take the broken starter off i sure hope if that is the problem then they can modify it somehow? The mini starter actually takes up less space than the factory unit. Just hard to see in the photo.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: aarcuda] #249322 03/11/09 08:11 PM 03/11/09 08:11 PM
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78D150CLUB My avatar is a self portrait!! 7 Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,475 Ontario, Canada	No. it,s a stock Brand X. The starter is very similar to the minis, though. It may be as John says, that the starter is not fitting correctly in the bell housing. If it's being forced out of alignment slightly when it's mounted it could put too much stress on the nose of the starter. If it has too much opening, the torque of the starter may cause the pilot end of the snout to flex away from the ring gear and stress the housing in the opposite direction. Either way could result in a fracture over time. I want to die like my Grampa, peacefully, in his sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: 78D150CLUB] #249323 03/11/09 08:20 PM 03/11/09 08:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	The tech who did the original install stopped by on his way home just now. I told him what you all said about the alignment and he will make sure that is taken into consideration before the re-install of the new mini starter. I take the car back in tomorrow.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249324 03/11/09 08:43 PM 03/11/09 08:43 PM
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B1arno super stock B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,039 Redwood City Ca.	One more vote for torque converter bolts. Arno

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: B1arno] #249325 03/11/09 08:59 PM 03/11/09 08:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Quote: One more vote for torque converter bolts. Arno Hey Arno i guess you missed the part where it turned out to be a broken mini starter.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249326 03/11/09 10:45 PM 03/11/09 10:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,478 the boonies	Quote: Quote: One more vote for torque converter bolts. Arno Hey Arno i guess you missed the part where it turned out to be a broken mini starter.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: aarcuda] #249327 03/12/09 07:46 PM 03/12/09 07:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi... MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking
MidPenMopar OP Looking for fun? Keep looking Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 36,840 South San Francisco, Californi...	Well we got another mini starter installed and so far all is good again. The tech who put it back in said he found that the adapter plate that goes inbetween the starter and the bellhousing was slightly off center. So he drilled out the holes where the bolts go through so the new starter will sit perfectly flat. We shall see if that was the cause of the problem.

Re: . Help diagnose strange noise in drivetrain [Re: MidPenMopar] #249328 03/12/09 08:47 PM 03/12/09 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,641 San Jose,CA migsBIG YouTube is my go-to news source
migsBIG YouTube is my go-to news source Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,641 San Jose,CA	Hope that is all the problem is, never like those hidden problems that creep back up. Hope the parts didn't do any other damage when the started broke up. What was the brand of starter thAt died on you? [IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p265/migsbig/Hippo_skull_dark-1.jpg[/IMG]

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