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73bugg, that is good info! The most important thing I see there is that the metal surface should be under 80 degrees. I bet that has to do with how fast the paint hardens up. Too fast and it wont have time to settle down flat.
And 28 days sounds like a good amount of time to wait between the final coat and the wetsand/polish/wax..
28 days or longer. Coach painting guru, Stephen Hull said this, “Alkyd (enamels) CAN be polished mechanically but only after six months or so when the surface has become sufficiently hard to accept rubbing compounds.” But then again, the dude lives in foggy, rainy Britain. We could go for a much shorter time because we have the advantage of sun baking.
This paint (DUTCHLAC Brilliant Gloss Enamel) should be a huge leap in our accumulated efforts. It’s a proven paint that not only can be sprayed on but more importantly, BRUSHED on. Over 6000 color choices (unfortunately, no metallics), coverage in 2 coats, fade resistant, self-leveling, a finish that dries to a mirror/porcelain-like surface.
I’m gonna finish off my bug with Charger’s method, but on my other car I’m gonna utilized a combination of the techniques mentioned on this thread: Wagner spray white Rustoleum primer, sand smooth then roller/sand layers of a Rustoleum black. Between layers I’ll rattle can a light mist of an alternating color to find low spots. Once I know the surface is even I’ll apply the 2 coats of DUTCHLAC gloss black enamel with a brush as outlined in Stephen Hull’s instructions (brush left to right, then up and down, repeat while each time applying less pressure on the brush-
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/brush.html )
I’ll then wait a month, sun bake this enamel when I can, then hit it with 2000 grit and Turtle wax polish.
There’s a Fine Paints of Europe store ( http://finepaintsofeurope.com/ ) a few miles from me, but I can’t get to it until Saturday. I can hardly wait!
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I checked out the page.. http://www.finepaintsofeurope.com/dutchlac_brilliant.aspx#maintenanceIt looks like it's $90 a gallon? And it says it cannot be rolled on, must be brushed on. I would love to see someone's results with this paint and method for comparison to rustoleum. I wonder if this stuff is not similar to the industrial grade alkyd enamels made by valspar, rustoleum, or sherwin williams. They are a bit cheaper. But I wonder why this stuff would be able to be painted on with a brush at full strength, yet still self level, and with no thinner or hardener...?
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 Yeah, I saw that. That's why I'm gonna do a base coat with rustoleum and then get 3/4 Liter of the Dutchlac for $30 to use as the final coat. The site said, "DUTCHLAC Brilliant can be applied over clean, previously painted oil finishes in good condition." As far as not needing thinner, Coach painting sites mentioned brush marks blend away 'cause the paint dries REAL slow. So your car would have to stay protected from dust and the elements at least a day. The sites also mention some coach painters use a roller, but they use the tip of a brush held at a 45 degree angle to even out the paint and smooth out the bubbles. I know this method would go above our $50 theme, but hey, it's STILL cheaper then Maaco. 
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I assume when the Fine Paints people think of a roller they are thinking of a thick-knap roller as used to paint walls and ceilings. I would think you could get a smoother application than a brush with the high-density foam (ultra-smooth finish) rollers we are talking about in this thread, especially if the paint self-levels.
I'd also be interested in how much they recommend thinning the Ducalac with their mineral spirits for rolling.
All told the Fine Paints primer and paint system plus their mineral spirits would put you around $200. That's still cheap compared to getting your car painted, but you could probably by automative paint to roll on for those kind of dollars.
I think the Fine Paints system is interesting if we could adapt them to this method. On the website you can order a free small container of the paint; might be worth doing to try some experimentation.
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My local WallyWorld had 6 or 8 quarts of Navy Blue in their clearance ailse last night for $4.00 each. That doesn't help you other than to suggest you might want to check out Walmart.
Turns out you were right! I stopped by Walmart to pick up some detergent, and I found three quarts of gloss navy in the clearance aisle. I didn't think I would, because they only carried gloss black and white in their paint aisle.
My car is pretty small (1990 Toyota Celica), so it should be enough paint. I'm taking two days off work next week so I can start painting, I'll keep everyone updated.
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exit any updates on the dart at all?? did ya finish it?? can i get a few more pics.. i really wanna see the color out in the sun since its the same one im doing.. i know mine plastic and urs is metal so itll look some wat different.. but jstu to get an idea..
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I'd say the latter since some people were having issues if they applied the 2nd coat too early (while the 1st coat is still somewhat wet).
Best suggestion I saw is just to be patient and give it sufficient time to dry, if you're in an area that is pretty hot then it should speed up the drying time.
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My local WallyWorld had 6 or 8 quarts of Navy Blue in their clearance ailse last night for $4.00 each. That doesn't help you other than to suggest you might want to check out Walmart.
Turns out you were right! I stopped by Walmart to pick up some detergent, and I found three quarts of gloss navy in the clearance aisle. I didn't think I would, because they only carried gloss black and white in their paint aisle.
My car is pretty small (1990 Toyota Celica), so it should be enough paint. I'm taking two days off work next week so I can start painting, I'll keep everyone updated.
Cool, glad I could help. Now you're really talking budget paint job at $12 for your paint!
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exit any updates on the dart at all?? did ya finish it?? can i get a few more pics.. i really wanna see the color out in the sun since its the same one im doing.. i know mine plastic and urs is metal so itll look some wat different.. but jstu to get an idea..
Didn't finish it yet, and it's hard to get it out into the sun. I did the polish/quickie wax job on a fender which was near the garage door so I could see it in the sun, and there was a weird slight haze to it. The haze was probably on the 1/4 panel area I did before, but couldn't see it because only natural light was on it. If you're using red be sure and wait awhile before doing the final polish so the paint is as hard as it can get.
There are various pics here.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/xit1965/sets/72057594131616795/
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quick question: i looked back thru the old threads and cant find this-- when you apply the 2 coats of paint in one day, what time frame is that? one coat right after the other ? or one coat then wait a couple hours and apply the 2nd ?
i painted at lets say 8 am, wait 8-10 hours, recoat, no less than 8 hours, or wait next day, wetsand in the am, paint and let sit overnight. you can try wet sanding a hidden area, if it sands good without plugging up the paper, and balling up, you're good to go.   
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Hi All,
Here's where I'm at--three thin coats of white Rustoleum professional, wetsand with 800, one thin coat more, going two more coats then let it "dry," "harden for a month," then wetsand with 1500 or 2000 and polish, then clearcoat. Only on the trunk so far, will try to post pictures tonight. I have to say, even after seeing others fine work, that I am pleasantly and completely surprised so far.   
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1) How are others working around edges/how can I get under/around weatherseal/trim?
2) Is there a uv protection clear coat that I can spray on?
Will try to post the pics tonight.
In my mind the before/after pics really do this technique justice.
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last one-sorry, bad lighting!
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The trunk looks like a different white...??
Well I finally went to home depot and bought a buncha crap. $63 later... I should be set. I like how the blue looks. I spray bombed part of the door to see how the color looks. I still like how sail blue looks as far as the cap and all, but I know it'll be a lot brighter.
On to body work! hehe
Anyone ever seen green bondo? Where can I get that?
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The trunk looks like a different white...??
Well I finally went to home depot and bought a buncha crap. $63 later... I should be set. I like how the blue looks. I spray bombed part of the door to see how the color looks. I still like how sail blue looks as far as the cap and all, but I know it'll be a lot brighter.
On to body work! hehe
Anyone ever seen green bondo? Where can I get that?
I think the hardener is what you can get in different colors. I like the regular red hardener and cheap gray bondo, because the bondo spreaders I use are made to be the same color as the correct mixture of bondo/hardener.
I've tried the bondo gold (gold in color, with red hardener) but did not notice much of a difference, so I went back to the standard, cheap gray bondo and included red hardener. The evercoat rage stuff is supposed to be good, but I wasn't risking the extra $ when I was comfortable working with regular bondo.
Body work is fun, especially in a hot garage. enjoy
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