Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: moparmitch]
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03/21/18 08:02 AM
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We did everything we could on my end to find the issue before putting it back in the car...Yet the issue persists.
As far as parts go, I am so tired of waiting +3-4 months on stuff, I think this lack of parts is pretty much tanking the hobby.
I look at the lack of younger racers, and wonder what the future holds. I see tracks all around folding up...And damit, I am the only idiot at my track still beating a Hemi....The writing has been on the wall for a while now. No blocks = no hobby....Hell, just try and order a G3 block...It won't be long, and we all be running LS based engines just to race...Sucks but that what it seems like.
How can I race in a Nostalgia class when I can't get valve guides, a block, other standard parts? As racers, many of us can't spend years collecting parts, we need them when we need them.
I have been debating calling it quits this year and just enjoy four wheeling. Just tired of it...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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03/21/18 08:47 AM
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We did everything we could on my end to find the issue before putting it back in the car...Yet the issue persists.
As far as parts go, I am so tired of waiting +3-4 months on stuff, I think this lack of parts is pretty much tanking the hobby.
How can I race in a Nostalgia class when I can't get valve guides, a block, other standard parts? As racers, many of us can't spend years collecting parts, we need them when we need them.
I have been debating calling it quits this year and just enjoy four wheeling. Just tired of it... I know what you mean. I had to wait 10 months for my Hemi heads from Edelbrock and 6 months for an oil dipstick from Moroso. It's getting beyond ridiculous.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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03/21/18 11:10 AM
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What size oil restrictor to you have for the rockers ? What dose it do when you prime it on the stand ? Does it have oil to the lifters and if so are they bushed ?
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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What size oil restrictor to you have for the rockers ? What dose it do when you prime it on the stand ? Does it have oil to the lifters and if so are they bushed ? This restrictor thing we have been back and forth on....Told we need to run them, told we don't, had them in and out....We are not running them at the this time. Prime it, gets 80psi on the stand...Lifters are just getting splash. No direct oil feed.....I think. Not bushed.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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03/22/18 03:26 PM
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Man, if I didn't just finish my 528" Hemi. I would be interested in this engine & trying to figure out the oiling issue.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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03/22/18 07:28 PM
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What Heads and rockers are you running? Its all Indy... Got it all stripped down...Ready to start looking fro the issue again.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I primed my 572 C.I. iron Hemi World block yesterday for the first time, it has 75+ lbs. on my old 1/2 Craftsman drill motor using Valvoline VR1 10x30 wt. oil This block(World cast grey iron with the 4.490 rough bore size has the stock .039 restrictors in it to the Stage V non roller rocker arms to oil them full time and they are oiling okay also Crane solid full body tall solid roller lifters on one of Tim Banning FHO custom ground Comp Cams solid roller lifter camshafts for EFI, I'm hoping for 800+ HP on this motor with dual 1150 CFM throttle bodies on Oregon 92 octane non ethanol pump swill How hot was the oil and what RPM did you have 10 lbs. pressure at ? My old 518 C.I. pump gas wedge motor would have under 20 lbs. at 170 F idling at 850 RPM That was with 5W20WT oil, never had any oiling issues racing that motor shifting at 7000 + RPM My oil temps. in the summer would get up to 200 F with coolant temps of 220 F My message is if you have 10 lbs. pressure for each 1000 RPM your good, IE 10 Lbs. at 1000 RPM idling with hot oil and 20 Lbs. at 2000 RPM and so on I cut the bypass spring on my oil pump to lower the pressure and ended up having only 65 Lbs. at or above 4500 RPM with 150 +F oil temps. I could have shim the bypass spring or replaced it with one a half a coil longer but I didn't really see the need for it
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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I primed my 572 C.I. iron Hemi World block yesterday for the first time, it has 75+ lbs. on my old 1/2 Craftsman drill motor using Valvoline VR1 10x30 wt. oil This block has the stock .039 restrictors in it to the Stage V non roller rocker arms to oil them full time and they are oiling okay also Crane solid full body tall solid roller lifters on one of Tim Banning FHO custom ground Comp Cams solid roller lifter camshafts for EFI, I'm hoping for 800+ HP on this motor with dual 1150 CFM throttle bodies on Oregon 92 octane non ethanol pump swill How hot was the oil and what RPM did you have 10 lbs. pressure at ? My old 518 C.I. pump gas wedge motor would have under 20 lbs. at 170 F idling at 850 RPM That was with 5W20WT oil, never had any oiling issues racing that motor shifting at 7000 + RPM My oil temps. in the summer would get up to 200 F with coolant temps of 220 F My message is if you have 10 lbs. pressure for each 1000 RPM your good, IE 10 Lbs. at 1000 RPM idling with hot oil and 20 Lbs. at 2000 RPM and so on I cut the bypass spring on my oil pump to lower the pressure and ended up having only 65 Lbs. at or above 4500 RPM with 150 +F oil temps. I could have shim the bypass spring or replaced it with one a half a coil longer but I didn't really see the need for it Cab, what are the specs on that cam? Wondering if it is the same as mine...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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It has 254@.050 degrees on the intake with .380 lobe lift and 262@ .050 on the exhaust lobes with .383 lobe lift ground on 112 LSA installed at 110, lots of piston to valve clearances. I bought the cam and kit as well as the Stage V heads, rocker arms and EFI intake from Tim
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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It has 254@.050 degrees on the intake with .380 lobe lift and 262@ .050 on the exhaust lobes with .383 lobe lift ground on 112 LSA installed at 110, lots of piston to valve clearances. I bought the cam and kit as well as the Stage V heads, rocker arms and EFI intake from Tim Baby cam..............
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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It has 254@.050 degrees on the intake with .380 lobe lift and 262@ .050 on the exhaust lobes with .383 lobe lift ground on 112 LSA installed at 110, lots of piston to valve clearances. I bought the cam and kit as well as the Stage V heads, rocker arms and EFI intake from Tim Baby cam.............. I agree I'm building this motor for a local customer who wants a Hemi Challenger with power brakes and 4 link suspension, low riding and comfortable, air condition, power steering and so on for driving to the local car shows for him and his wife, he doesn't want a hoop of power 800+HP and more torque than HP will make me happy on the dyno You know the drill Dom, keep them happy and make sure they get what you can deliver reliably
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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It has 254@.050 degrees on the intake with .380 lobe lift and 262@ .050 on the exhaust lobes with .383 lobe lift ground on 112 LSA installed at 110, lots of piston to valve clearances. I bought the cam and kit as well as the Stage V heads, rocker arms and EFI intake from Tim Baby cam.............. I agree I'm building this motor for a local customer who wants a Hemi Challenger with power brakes and 4 link suspension, low riding and comfortable, air condition, power steering and so on for driving to the local car shows for him and his wife, he doesn't want a hoop of power 800+HP and more torque than HP will make me happy on the dyno You know the drill Dom, keep them happy and make sure they get what you can deliver reliably Ya, I'm the "more cam, carb, compression and gear" guy.............lol
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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Steve Morris makes one, Nelson racing also made one, and I think the other company was FXR or something like that.
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
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Steve Morris makes one, Nelson racing also made one, and I think the other company was FXR or something like that. And yes, they made one...They were experiments, they do not sell them. I have called around, most places tell me to run a Chevy Hemi...And actually the Sonny's stuff is really awesome and expensive. The Goodwin is really awesome as well, and even more $$$. Who knows what the future holds, but its probably 6.1 based. I know this is probably my last G2...
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Re: The Quest Has Begun......605 Hemi Build, Updated!
[Re: Dragula]
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Good luck with it and hoping for the best. Let us know how it goes.
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