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Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477215 04/04/18 02:18 AM 04/04/18 02:18 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms Lockjaw....Nice clutch! Thanks for all of your input guys. Its a street car but I might take it to the track on occasion which is why I may send it out to have a window put in and have it re-certified. For now I guess I'll just try the 1.00 pedal free play route. On another note I have to say, these Lakewoods could have used a little more finishing concerning engineering and fitment. I've had to grind on some flange areas to get the Z-bar pivot mount to fit flush, drill a hole and grind away material for the clutch return spring, and am still not convinced that the clutch fork pivot is properly located using the stock bolt in bracket.Have any of you used the adjustable fork pivot that Lakewood makes? Any other helpful input on properly aligning the Z-bar and other linkage? This is a 71 Demon, stock 340 block with TTI headers, mini starter, stock style 4 speed transmission with the small bearing retainer using the Lakewood supplied spacer ring to fill the hole. You might want to call Lakewood on the re-cert of the bellhousing. Putting in a window, drilling holes and grinding might just cancel any recertification hopes. On a positive note, I have never been asked or had a tech guy look for a sticker on my Lakewood in 50 years. Yes I bought it back in 1968 and still using it. Is it out of cert? LOL it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477218 04/04/18 02:25 AM 04/04/18 02:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I'm only doing this to keep my feet safe so its getting cut regardless, if I need to get it certified maybe I'll look into that later. Any chance a trans blanket like an automatic uses would work? Not tough enough?

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477220 04/04/18 02:30 AM 04/04/18 02:30 AM
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madscientist master M Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington	Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms I'm only doing this to keep my feet safe so its getting cut regardless, if I need to get it certified maybe I'll look into that later. Any chance a trans blanket like an automatic uses would work? Not tough enough? If the car is 11.50 or slower you don't even need a scatter shield to be NHRA legal. You can modify your bell housing at slower than 11.50 and probably not have an issue. 11.49 and quicker, you need the can and it must be certified (no one ever asked me either) and you can drill a 1 inch hole in the face OR the bottom, not both. Last time I checked, Lakewood will put a window in and recert it for $275.00 and the guy said if I did ANY modifications to it they most likely wouldn't recert it. Don't think a blanket would help. Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477252 04/04/18 08:54 AM 04/04/18 08:54 AM
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440farmer member 4 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 193 Sharpsburg Maryland	Hello I wanted to add I have had several lakewoods thru the years on alot of them have had to tweek the fork pivot to help alignment with the bearing ears and link from the zbar. have had to cut and weld it to a new position to get it just right on a couple - there far from perfect. Good luck - be patient you'll get it! Last edited by 440farmer; 04/04/18 08:55 AM.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477291 04/04/18 10:57 AM 04/04/18 10:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Oh I've been patient, I'm just PO'd that its so poorly engineered in the details. For instance; If the clutch pivot is off when will this be evident? Right after it's 100% installed and I try the pedal. If it's not on target? All of it has to come off yet AGAIN to weld or it etc......Good grief!

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477303 04/04/18 11:19 AM 04/04/18 11:19 AM
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440farmer member 4 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 193 Sharpsburg Maryland	Oh yeah I know the feeling I think the key is don't get a big hurry to complete Walk away when it turns to $hit - I know a couple of times when I was younger I felt like bustin every window in the damn thing out- use a empty trans when working out the linkage and fork movement

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: 440farmer] #2477401 04/04/18 02:36 PM 04/04/18 02:36 PM
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JERICOGTX I Live Here J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,022 MN	I know I'm late, but here is my Lakewood. 69 GTX 68 Road Runner

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: JERICOGTX] #2477402 04/04/18 02:43 PM 04/04/18 02:43 PM
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madscientist master M Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington	Originally Posted By JERICOGTX I know I'm late, but here is my Lakewood. Do you have a window in the bottom or are you just going to adjust base pressure through the hole in the face? Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477588 04/04/18 09:54 PM 04/04/18 09:54 PM
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70HemiGTX top fuel 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,361 PA	Well it wouldn't be "bolt on - ready to install" if you didn't have to do some kind of fabrication work to get the part to function properly. But seriously, I have a Lakewood in my Dart. I never looked at the clearance between the block plate and the oil pan gasket. I will have to look at it when I get a chance. I just adjusted my clutch according to pedal travel and feel. The Z-bar does seem to have some weird geometry going on. From what was mentioned before, that makes sense about the engine mounts. That would change the geometry of things. Always something.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: 70HemiGTX] #2477674 04/05/18 12:35 AM 04/05/18 12:35 AM
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lockjaw-express mopar L Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 562 Ohio	Here is a picture of the Cover that I made for the inspection cover. Also, I have never been asked by NHRA tech for a Certification sticker for any of my bell housings over the years. They only asked if it was a steel SFI Bell...well it was until I cut the hole in the bottom. My 2 cents, Mark Last edited by lockjaw-express; 04/05/18 12:42 AM.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477690 04/05/18 01:17 AM 04/05/18 01:17 AM
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sgcuda master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,243 Charlotte, North Carolina	Chris Hyatt can add an inspection hole/cover and also recertify the housing all in house. I don't know if there are specific areas that he can window. That, you would have to ask him. But I don't see a reason why a window couldn't be added to the underside for a stock floor. Race setups are done at about the 2 o'clock position because it is adjusted from the inside of the car. [image][/image]

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2477696 04/05/18 01:25 AM 04/05/18 01:25 AM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,021 Oregon	Yeah, brings back memories. I had to re-engineer the Lakewood housing that I have in my Coronet. It had to be fly cut since it wasn't square and then I built my own Z bar so it would be correct. I had to build my own pivot point inside the housing to get the geometry correct. The starter pocket also had to be redesigned in order to get the starter to fit correctly. Lakewood builds junk and they have since the 60's. I doubt there is anyone at Lakewood who has actually tried to build a car using their own parts.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2480325 04/10/18 02:02 AM 04/10/18 02:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Lockjaw, can you offer some locations and dimensions for your plate cover and hole mods? I'm taking mine to the machine shop to have him fab it up. Anyone have a pic of a modified block plate cut for the rubber seal clearance?

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2480422 04/10/18 12:08 PM 04/10/18 12:08 PM
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Porter67 master P Joined: Jun 2014 Posts: 5,183	If you didnt have yours already there are some older anson units that can still cert that are leaps ahead in fit and finish.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: Porter67] #2480460 04/10/18 01:22 PM 04/10/18 01:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms OP Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Anyone have an Ansen for a small block? Ill step up.

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2480915 04/11/18 03:42 AM 04/11/18 03:42 AM
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madscientist master M Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,457 Washington	Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms Anyone have an Ansen for a small block? Ill step up. I've never seen an Ansen that was worth bothering with. There wasn't many made. They weren't that good. Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston

Re: Adjusting a McCleod Clutch with a Lakewood Scatter shield? [Re: madscientist] #2480957 04/11/18 10:17 AM 04/11/18 10:17 AM
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Rhinodart Rhinotruck Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,539 Round Lake Beach, Illinoisy	I only use Ansens, but I only use big blocks so I can't tell you if I have even seen a small block Ansen. They are the only one that can accept the factory big block A-Body spacer and bellcrank... The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it. JB Rhinehart, Realist A-Body's RULE!

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