Re: Engine oil
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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02/15/18 01:20 AM
02/15/18 01:20 AM
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I wish I knew of a west coast distributor that I could buy their products from up here in central Oregon help grin
Amazon is loaded with it and will deliver right to your door.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: WHITEDART]
#2451967
02/15/18 01:35 AM
02/15/18 01:35 AM
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What oil should i run?
Clean oil.
by the looks of the car on your post I would say clean oil would not be necessary You’d get along with my ex. She didn’t like it either. That pic was taken the day i got the car out of her house after a lengthily inprisionment It has clean oil then and now. Sae 30 wt. as has every older Mopar engine I have owned.
I used to care but....... things have changed
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: NTOLERANCE]
#2451975
02/15/18 01:58 AM
02/15/18 01:58 AM
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WHITEDART
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What oil should i run?
Clean oil.
by the looks of the car on your post I would say clean oil would not be necessary You’d get along with my ex. She didn’t like it either. That pic was taken the day i got the car out of her house after a lengthily inprisionment It has clean oil then and now. Sae 30 wt. as has every older Mopar engine I have owned. just a silly answer for a silly question carry on
In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: BradH]
#2451980
02/15/18 02:06 AM
02/15/18 02:06 AM
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I think my message would be oil is not oil. Looks to me that some has more additives than others and pass testing with higher marks as well. My message is that the majority of oil discussions on here turn into big stinkin' piles of opinions without any empirical data to back them up. Oil, religion, politics... possibly The Big Three of things which can never be discussed objectively. I'll wait and see where this goes before I decide step back in here again. Here's some quantitative information: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1387987/1.htmlSkip to page 7 for more exact numbers. No analytic technique is more accurate than NAA.
"When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 1968RR]
#2451986
02/15/18 02:20 AM
02/15/18 02:20 AM
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BradH
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I think my message would be oil is not oil. Looks to me that some has more additives than others and pass testing with higher marks as well. My message is that the majority of oil discussions on here turn into big stinkin' piles of opinions without any empirical data to back them up. Oil, religion, politics... possibly The Big Three of things which can never be discussed objectively. I'll wait and see where this goes before I decide step back in here again. Here's some quantitative information: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1387987/1.htmlSkip to page 7 for more exact numbers. No analytic technique is more accurate than NAA. ZDDP #s don't tell the whole story; an oil can have high ZDDP levels and still not be a great oil.
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: WedgeFED]
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02/15/18 02:31 AM
02/15/18 02:31 AM
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I can tell you there's a lot of Manufacturers that think if a little bit of additive is good more is better. It's almost become who can add the most wins.. a lot of these products compromise ring seal.. and horsepower comes from ring seal..
In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: WHITEDART]
#2451996
02/15/18 02:32 AM
02/15/18 02:32 AM
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What oil should i run?
Clean oil.
by the looks of the car on your post I would say clean oil would not be necessary LMAO...............
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 62SAVOY]
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02/15/18 05:07 AM
02/15/18 05:07 AM
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Forgot to add that I am running over 60 or higher psi when cold and running around 40 when warm. If I drive it this weekend depending on weather I can give exact on the psi numbers but it seems that is where it is normally when I glance down at the gauge.
Last edited by 62SAVOY; 02/15/18 05:10 AM.
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: BradH]
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02/15/18 10:33 AM
02/15/18 10:33 AM
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ZDDP #s don't tell the whole story; an oil can have high ZDDP levels and still not be a great oil. True, other factors (detergents, etc.) also determine the quality of an oil. But ZDDP numbers are typically what people argue about. More ZDDP isn't always better. ZDDP concentrations over about 1800 ppm can actually do harm.
"When I'm in a slump, I comfort myself by saying if I believe in dinosaurs, then somewhere, they must be believing in me. And if they believe in me, then I can believe in me." - Mookie Wilson
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 62SAVOY]
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02/15/18 12:51 PM
02/15/18 12:51 PM
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Now the oil I just looked at picking up for my truck says Conventional/synthetic blend on it. Just seems odd to add the two together. I am no oil expert, by any means. But aren't all non pure synthetic oils a synthetic blend? I mean, even petroleum based oil is not straight out of the ground. It has additives. And those additives are man-made; which means synthetic. So, every bottle of oil on the shelf (except the pure synthetics) is some sort of petroleum and synthetic "blend". I personally, have never seen a definition of how much synthetic additives it takes to be able to be labeled "synthetic", "semi-synthetic", or "blend" or whatever. Does anyone here know?
Master, again and still
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 1968RR]
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02/15/18 02:02 PM
02/15/18 02:02 PM
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BradH
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ZDDP #s don't tell the whole story; an oil can have high ZDDP levels and still not be a great oil. True, other factors (detergents, etc.) also determine the quality of an oil. But ZDDP numbers are typically what people argue about. More ZDDP isn't always better. ZDDP concentrations over about 1800 ppm can actually do harm. Yep, and that might be considered the tip of the iceberg: - base stocks, especially for synthetics - HTHS (High Temp / High Shear) ratings - where a specific oil's "cold" and "hot" viscosities fall w/in the industry standard ranges - if molybdenum is present, and the lifespan of the copper deactivator included to offset moly's corrosive effect on copper bearings - and other criteria of which I'm sure are important, but of which I'm ignorant Too many legit variables, too many opinions vs facts, lots of conficting personal experiences w/ the same products... I DO have some pretty specific likes & dislikes for oil brands and components. However, expressing my OPINIONS (even if based on facts/research I've found) won't do anything here but add to the static (used as a noun, not an adjective).
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 62SAVOY]
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02/15/18 02:22 PM
02/15/18 02:22 PM
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Lots of good oil on the market today and just like car wax we all have our favorite and reason for using it. I almost switched from Brad Penn several years ago because of running alcohol but instead of doing that I Researched what I could do differently. In my case I needed a lean out valve and as soon as my pass was over I now turn both my fan and electric water pump off so I build heat up going to my pit spot. Millions of quarts of Walmart oil sold every day and unless they started doing it yesterday Walmart has never produced a single quart of oil.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: Engine oil
[Re: 62SAVOY]
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02/15/18 10:59 PM
02/15/18 10:59 PM
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crabman173
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This topic always gets the most attention on here and many other sites Sitting at a screen sifting through chemical test and numbers --ugh!!
I have built a LOT of engines for decades now--I have raced for over 30 years I have worked in engine shops most of my life and so i have seen a lot more than the average guy
What I have learned
Different applications require( or do better) with certain oils Like super stockers running 0w20 or alky cars liking 20w50 or like nitro cars using 70 wt This is why makers like Driven have twenty plus different oils
You get that part right then go with what you can source easily--what you can afford---I run alky/nitro mix and change oil a LOT so I am forced to use an oil I can afford that still works and it is not a "boutique" oil
I have used the highest spring pressures I have ever run on a flat tappet and used Amsoil-- was just amazing when lifters and cam lobes were inspected--the best I have ever seen Period
I have run Valvoline race oils for years and again--zero issues ever
I know the driven products are probably the most advanced products on the market each designed for specific applications with exactly what that application needs
I have had excellent results with Brad Penn and with alky it is fantastic
Amalie line up is some of the most used on the NHRA trail and fantastic with exotic fuels and...they offer an easy to get on "plan" for any racer to have oil shipped directly to your home or delivered at any NHRA event--These guys make good stuff and support racers of any level not with free but with real discounts
I race with another alky dragster guy that runs the Walmart brand cheapo stuff in a pretty darn fast car with zero cooling and guess what?? His bearings and parts look fine and keep on keeping on
I think if you have oil in an engine you are good--if you run a flat tappet you need an oil with some ZDDP or else I truly think this is the one deal where you must run some Known good stuff that has been proven
I also think that on street and bracket stuff who really cares that you loose a few HP with a 20w50 that proves again and again that it works in most anything
and....Lucas is making a 30 wt and a 20w50 high zinc break in oil that has been working great for us lately and is cheaper than all the others so
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