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I was just wondering what the rarest MoPar wheel may be?

I know H-code wheels that are dated for the A12 crowd are desireable, but not all that rare.

Kelsey-Hayes magnesium alloy wheels for early 60's 300's/letter cars?

The infamous K/H "recall wheels"?

The one year only 71 Sport Fury GT wheel with "special" full trim ring? The wheel was unique and would only fit the full ring and cap.

Solid 15" H/D "tow-package" wheels?


Thoughts,....comments are appreciated! Thanks.

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I would go with the wheel for the 71 sport fury gt . . . . way less of those than the 69 recall wheels . . . or the Hcodes . . . . and way less cars made too . . . course, there is the M body road wheel (looks like C Body road wheel), but is 7" wide ! And has plastic piece held in by the center cap, that gives color to where you would normally see the grey on the wheel between center cap and chrome. ..

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The 1971 E-bodies had a cast aluminum 15" road wheel canceled very early on. Did any of the earliest cars have them installed?

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what wheel is that in the first pic?!

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I've always had many requests for the big H wheels dated prior to the build date of the '69 M-code cars, 1968 Hemi wheels, 450 15x7" wheels, & any of the pre-68 wheels that hold the large dog dish cap - both 14" & 15". I've never had a 450 wheel to sell, & cannot supply any of the others I listed anymore. The most in-demand of all among the years I have been selling wheels are the big H wheels.

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68 hemi steelies are nearly unobtanium

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68 hemi steelies are nearly unobtanium


I have found 3 in the past 8 months

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I realize they are out there, several other models used them. Generally disc brake and large body or hd applications.
They are rare though, especially a set of 4 or 5 with correct codes.

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Originally Posted By srt
I realize they are out there, several other models used them. Generally disc brake and large body or hd applications.
They are rare though, especially a set of 4 or 5 with correct codes.


The application is 68 Hemi car or 68 Station Wagon. Luckily my car (68 Charger R/T) had one original wheel on it. Through Moparts and eBay I was able to find 3 more. My brother has an extra one so I'll have all 5. Date codes will be a challenge as my car is early.

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I guess you mean wheel or wheel cover. As far as wheel cover that first image of the wheel cover is IMO one of the cleanest, classiest, wheel covers ever on a mass produce car. That would be an awesome wheel on an exotic limited high end car with that look.


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Another Moparts member has been looking for a "242" 14" plain black rim that was used as a trunk spare in 70.

I wouldn't think it would be too hard to find, but he has been looking for quite a long time and has yet to find one.

That must also be a rare rim as well...

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Is that the same 14" steelie that would have been used on a '70 Challenger with full wheel covers? There was a guy in your area with my JH27N0B Challenger vert's sibling, about 10 VINs different, and when I last saw him he said he'd been looking with no luck for a set of those 14" wheels for his car for many years.

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Good question.

Not sure if it was used when 14" wheel covers were ordered, or only used in the trunk. I've been told it was only a trunk spare, but would welcome others to comment as I'm not 100%.

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I have a copy of his broadcast sheet, it says "17" under wheels/road, and "81" under spare. Wheel cover is "41".

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I was thinking wheel, but including the cover is a good idea.

The 71 Sport Fury GT wheel is unique, and the wheel cover, actually it's a trim ring, only fits on that specific wheel; none other. With only 375 '71 GT's made and not all of them had these wheels and rings, I'm leaning on this one being the rarest.

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Turbine car.

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I think that we have a winner. laugh2


Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol
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Originally Posted By SNK-EYZ
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I think that we have a winner. laugh2


Not production car. They made 55 of them.

I'd imagine there are one of one prototype show cars with one of one wheel covers and or rims.

Here's the rim or predessor to it that 6bblgt mentioned got canceled before production in 1971



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Originally Posted By autoxcuda
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I think that we have a winner. laugh2


Not production car. They made 55 of them.








Hmmmm...I saw no nomenclature that required "production" as the criteria for the " what's the rarest Mopar wheel"...IMHO "55" units would denote "production" if that's YOUR requirement?,... wasn't "50 units" the NHRA's minimum requirement to allow the 68 SS Hurst cars to be considered "production units"?... IIRC "50 units" is considered the absolute minimum in the automotive production world to be rendered a "production unit"(ie: BTM Cheetah among many others)?...

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Originally Posted By autoxcuda


Here's the rim or predessor to it that 6bblgt mentioned got canceled before production in 1971







Aftermarket rim, besides not "Mopar specific" I've seen a few Mopar, AMC and Ford vehicles wearing these over the decades

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Pretty sure NASCAR and NHRA had a minimum 500 production units, hence the '69 Charger "500" name as they had to build "500" of them. And there was an intent to only build "500" of each A12 6BBL Road Runners and A12 Six Pack Super Bees to meet NHRA'S production requirements (and then mess with NHRA on submitting specs as they felt a COPO Camaro with a 427 ZL1 that was allowed into to did have the documentation of "500" built or available at dealerships) quite funny and fun for the engineers at the time.

How many Hemi Darts were built, only 50? If so did it run in a production based class? That would make a difference.

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Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
The 1971 E-bodies had a cast aluminum 15" road wheel canceled very early on. Did any of the earliest cars have them installed?


Chargers too, I forgot about them, but I located my dealership order book with the image;

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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
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I think that we have a winner. laugh2


Not production car. They made 55 of them.





EDIT: Apologize on the NHRA production count as it seems it was a minimum of (50) customer's names that had to be submitted to NHRA in order for the car to be legal in the Super Stock division.





Hmmmm...I saw no nomenclature that required "production" as the criteria for the " what's the rarest Mopar wheel"...IMHO "55" units would denote "production" if that's YOUR requirement?,... wasn't "50 units" the NHRA's minimum requirement to allow the 68 SS Hurst cars to be considered "production units"?... IIRC "50 units" is considered the absolute minimum in the automotive production world to be rendered a "production unit"(ie: BTM Cheetah among many others)?...

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EDIT AGAIN: I SHOULD HAVE READ THE ARTICLE I HAVE FURTHER TO GET TO THE 500 NHRA MINIMUM TO RACE A STOCK OR SUPER STOCK CLASS.


BOTTOM OF PAGE 2 (magazine Page 9) where it reads about the 500 units:

Mike


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The 1971 E-bodies had a cast aluminum 15" road wheel canceled very early on. Did any of the earliest cars have them installed?


Chargers too, I forgot about them, but I located my dealership order book with the image;



So Barry is that an aftermarket rim that Chrysler was just going to use?

Or something unique made by Chrysler that just happens to look similar to later aftermarket rims?

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How would I know that Steve?

I have never seen one.

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Originally Posted By The Black Car
I was thinking wheel, but including the cover is a good idea.

The 71 Sport Fury GT wheel is unique, and the wheel cover, actually it's a trim ring, only fits on that specific wheel; none other. With only 375 '71 GT's made and not all of them had these wheels and rings, I'm leaning on this one being the rarest.


They were not limited to only the Sport Fury GT, but were an available option.

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Are you sure they were an "option", or available as an ordered part?

My info tells me they were "standard " on a 71 GT, or the Chrysler Rallye Wheel was optional.

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Would have to be pretty rare Plymouth Fury to get ordered with those "road wheels" in 71 . . . have only seen on SF GT ! . . .

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I was thinking the same thing. I really like the 1970-71 Sport Furys and I think that one year only wheel gives the '71 a slight advantage in my book.

Thanks Barry for posting that link. Here are a few more showing it was available. I can't ever recall seeing a non GT out in the wild with a set but it would cool to see!

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Some more pics, the last one showing they actually had an unique wheel as well, not just the trim ring and centre cap dressup:

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Originally Posted By 69_SIX_PACK
I was thinking the same thing. I really like the 1970-71 Sport Furys and I think that one year only wheel gives the '71 a slight advantage in my book.


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Perhaps a slight advantage, but I really think the Turbine car wheel treatment is made even rarer, due to the fact 95% of the cars were later destroyed, with only a literal handful left to exist

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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
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I was thinking the same thing. I really like the 1970-71 Sport Furys and I think that one year only wheel gives the '71 a slight advantage in my book.


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Perhaps a slight advantage, but I really think the Turbine car wheel treatment is made even rarer, due to the fact 95% of the cars were later destroyed, with only a literal handful left to exist


The only 71 prototype mag wheel that still exists is on the one Dodge Diamanté owned by Steve Juliano.

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Originally Posted By autoxcuda
The only 71 prototype mag wheel that still exists is on the one Dodge Diamanté owned by Steve Juliano.


But....

It is coded for 15" Rallyes on the factory invoice.

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Originally Posted By autoxcuda
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I was thinking the same thing. I really like the 1970-71 Sport Furys and I think that one year only wheel gives the '71 a slight advantage in my book.


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Perhaps a slight advantage, but I really think the Turbine car wheel treatment is made even rarer, due to the fact 95% of the cars were later destroyed, with only a literal handful left to exist


The only 71 prototype mag wheel that still exists is on the one Dodge Diamanté owned by Steve Juliano.





Are you absolutely sure?... besides the fact they're not "production" pieces

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Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
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The only 71 prototype mag wheel that still exists is on the one Dodge Diamanté owned by Steve Juliano.


But....

It is coded for 15" Rallyes on the factory invoice.


Is that because it started out as a normal car and then the Yellow Jacket?

Also I was told that Steven had sold it.

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It started life as a JS27R0 & was intended to become the Yellow Jacket.

Re: What's the rarest MoPar wheel 1955-1985 [Re: DAYCLONA] #2428429
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Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but isn't that turbine car a wheel cover? Looks like a steel rim in the mix.

Now some one will have a pic of a M&G Convoy transporter full of turbine cars ...


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Re: What's the rarest MoPar wheel 1955-1985 [Re: The Black Car] #2428466
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recall wheel hands down... maybe what 30 sets exist today... sport fury GT is a hub cap as is turbine car.. surely there are pilot wheels that never made production but i,m sure you mean actual as sold to the public offerings..

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Re: What's the rarest MoPar wheel 1955-1985 [Re: VL21] #2428558
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Originally Posted By VL21
Originally Posted By DAYCLONA
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I don't have a dog in this hunt, but isn't that turbine car a wheel cover? Looks like a steel rim in the mix.

Now some one will have a pic of a M&G Convoy transporter full of turbine cars ...




Post was "rarest Mopar wheel", I assume that means what was "offered" on a vehicle? no mention as to whether it had to be aluminum, steel, hupcap, multiple piece, w/wo trimrings, center caps, cast, formed, forged, etc, etc...criteria seems open?

Re: What's the rarest MoPar wheel 1955-1985 [Re: DAYCLONA] #2429799
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If it wasn't a truck wheel the 1957 Dodge D-501 steel wheel 8 bolt hub 14 in. Rare only made a handfull of cars.


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