G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Hello Folks, We all know that an aftermarket timing set would be nice to have for the VVT based engines. For several months, I’ve been in contact with a representative from Arrow Racing, who mentioned that this subject matter is being investigated. As far as what kind or type, that wasn’t revealed…I also got the impression this is not a high priority or even a product that may reach the market. With this said, I’m suggesting that we contact Arrow via emails and/or phone calls to demonstrate interest for this product, as well as any others that could be deemed investment reasonable and worth their effort to produce or supply for the G3 Hemi community. I believe they are interested and paying attention, even if it is casual at best...
I humbly suggest not referencing this post on Moparts to Arrow as it may be better to just communicate with them randomly, I really don’t know…just a thought. My suggestions submitted to Arrow are nothing new or original and pretty straight forward: --Aftermarket timing set or at least a fixed cam gear to replace the OEM phasing mechanism and negate the related limiter/lockout products that are currently being used.
--Camshafts to compliment a fixed/locked-out timing set.
--Tunnel ram based modular intake that has similar/modifiable bolt pattern to accommodate the multitude of Holley GM/LS manifold top pieces that are mass produced. --Drag Pack style intake with 4500/Dominator flange. The similar Ritter 4500 flanged intake has proven to be an awesome performer, but the intake is expensive and shown to be of very poor casting/production quality. I’m thinking Arrow could easily modify their current 4150 intake design which seems to be a great product.
--Solid roller lifters
--Adjustable rocker arms
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Its so easy to lock the phaser there is no need to replace it and locking it don't even have to cost money, just pop off the back cover and put something in it to keep it from moving like a nut or steel ball or fill it with JB weld... you could even use different shims on either side of the vanes to set cam timing exactly where you want it. Anyhow, there are plenty of cams available for VVVT engines or you can just get one of the cam grinders to regrind your factory one. If you just have to get rid of it there is a kit on ebay to do exactly what you describe so you can use any non-vvt style cam you want.
I do agree with the intake questions, it should be a very simple casting core with no water passags or anything and very popular so why the heck do they have to cost so dang much? How hard could it be to run a dominator flange?
Adjustable rockers and solid lifters would seem to be very nice on the surface but the stock stuff works so well that it would be a waste on most builds, only high end stuff will see benifits from it.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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I don't understand I'm grinding cams for the vvt blocks a lot these days
What do you mean your only able to get reground stock cores?
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Spending $80 on something a 5 cent nut can do just as easily is senseless to me but I am a tightwad and always trying to figure out how to do the same thing as the rich guys but for cheaper.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Spending $80 on something a 5 cent nut can do just as easily is senseless to me but I am a tightwad and always trying to figure out how to do the same thing as the rich guys but for cheaper. Oh I agree...just don't want to lose a 5 cent nut at 7k to save $79.95. hopefully since it's such an easy design someone else will come up with a competitive piece.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Any idea why they have to be so expensive? Don't seem like they should be $4000 more than a BB rocker, its just 2 extra shafts and a few bolts.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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I guess its a good thing the stock ones seem to work so well for most users.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Arrington has Roller tip non-adjustable 1.7s that's about it in the below 1500 range. PRW has discontinued their roller tip rockers. http://www.shophemi.com/p-1984-hemi-engine-roller-rockers-by-arrington-performance.aspx Stock rockers are a great piece, I've been building LS chucks of crap for the last 10 years , and one of the areas that the G3 hemi has over the LS engines is the stock rockers, you can build more power out of a G3 with the stockers than you can the LS's. I'd love a set of adjustable Rollers but the demand is just not there to make a return on investment reasonable for the big parts houses. Steff did you try Stanke motorsports see if they might be interested , I know they have some G3 stuff and their G1 rockers are $1600 for set no shafts.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Steff did you try Stanke motorsports see if they might be interested , I know they have some G3 stuff and their G1 rockers are $1600 for set no shafts.
No, never talked to them.
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Steff, The T&D rockers you have,are they common shaft? They had a set of individual shaft rockers at PRI. Looked like you have to mill the stands flat to use them. I saw those on FB. They must be new for this year. Mine are the common shaft offerings. Yes, shaft stands need to be removed for their cradle that holds the individual rockers.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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I am a lurker over here in the G3 form but is that not a G3 head on the right side of the picture with Harland Sharp rockers on it? They don't list any on the site but I think this pic was from PRI.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Can you tell us why there not good steff
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Can you tell us why there not good steff I used to have notes from a discussion I had with Harland Sharp about them and can't find them. But, I remember getting off the phone with them feeling they weren't too confident about them. But my opinion, I'm not a fan of the aluminum rocker body with the considerable amount of offset the rockers have from roller to pushrod. They are spring limited to what they can handle because of it. T & D's use a steel body. After running my T & D's this year, they've been flawless. Consistent lash. Plenty of oil to the springs, cups and rollers. They Can handle a double valve spring without issue.
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Re: G3 Aftermarket Timing Set and Such: Wishful thinking?
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Roller tipped rockers aren't really a necessity... lots of good discussion about them over on www.speedtalk.com . I have a set of T&D's for my small block but I think I'm going to stick with my iron rockers for 2018... simple and effective. Maybe if I stick with that small block deal after next year I'll use the T&D's. I'm not overly worried about the juice lifters on the Gen 3's, either. No experience with these new engines right now but my plan B for 2018 is building a simple 5.7 for a back-up and see how it works. I need to be at 650 HP or better and it will be on a dirt track deal.... we'll see.
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Steff. R U ever going to market your belt drive?
Matt Yes. I lost sight of it and am making it a prioriority to get it out there. Thats, if there's interest.
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Steff. R U ever going to market your belt drive?
Matt Yes. I lost sight of it and am making it a prioriority to get it out there. Thats, if there's interest. I am!
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Steff. R U ever going to market your belt drive?
Matt Yes. I lost sight of it and am making it a prioriority to get it out there. Thats, if there's interest. I'm interested
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I still have all the programs here for that steff Not to hijack the thread any , but have you thought about main caps for the G3 Hemi ?
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[quote=Medlock51]Roller tipped rockers aren't really a necessity... lots of good discussion about them over on www.speedtalk.com . I have a set of T&D's for my small block but I think I'm going to stick with my iron rockers for 2018... simple and effective. Maybe if I stick with that small block deal after next year I'll use the T&D's. I'm not overly worried about the juice lifters on the Gen 3's, either. No experience with these new engines right now but my plan B for 2018 is building a simple 5.7 for a back-up and see how it works. I need to be at 650 HP or better and it will be on a dirt track deal.... we'll see. [/qu Good to hear somebody else is going to use a Gen 3 in the dirt world. Plenty of power.
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