Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/08/17 02:49 PM
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As soon as they put a rev limiter on the hemi they killed that engine.. its no wonder that Chrysler pulled the plug.. if Chrysler was winning they would have put money in it
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/08/17 02:55 PM
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The RPM killed the Asymmetric head, teams chose not to pursue the symmetrical port head when it was released because the asymmetric head made more power. With the intro of EFI and the RPM limit the symmetrical port head is a better design. But since no one was developing that platform they fell behind. They were making strides with it and given a bit more time I am quite sure they would be right there again. Kramer stayed with the asymmetrical stuff as that's what they had their time and money tied up in. No different than how those changes affected the DRCE2 stuff. It was hurt by the ROM limit but the DRCE3 was superior. Team KB was on the development of the 3 head way before anyone else which is why they had such a quick start. To oversimplify it
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/08/17 03:01 PM
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WJ wanted EFI near 20 years ago. The fact that they did it so late doesn't make him wrong.
Pro stock is ever advancing, despite funding losses. I've been at WJ's on holidays, even on Sunday mornings,and sometimes late in the evenings, and he'll be filthy head to foot, with chips in his hair like stripper glitter. He never stops, and the stuff he works on spans all the tech involved. Right down to predictive software relative to head flow, that transfers straight to machine code. He, and Kurt not having sponsor money to spend in R+D is a huge waste of a dying resource.
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/09/17 12:57 PM
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Interesting view, surprised what a big pro stock Hemi fan he is. Of course he said parts availability was a big issue for him and I am not sure any more are being cast. Bill
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/09/17 02:35 PM
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Interesting view, surprised what a big pro stock Hemi fan he is. Of course he said parts availability was a big issue for him and I am not sure any more are being cast. Bill Sounds like grass is greener syndrome after working on GM stuff for 50? years... OR silently whispering into Mopars ear that he's available to run their team.
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/11/17 06:19 PM
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Interesting view, surprised what a big pro stock Hemi fan he is. Of course he said parts availability was a big issue for him and I am not sure any more are being cast.
Bill
I too thought it was funny how hung up he was on the Hemi.
Drag Week 2011 - 77th place - DD Drag Week 2012 - 2nd place SRBB N/A Drag Week 2014 - Kapooya RMRW 2018 RMRW 2020
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/11/17 10:23 PM
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The DRCE3 head (WJ's choice) and the Mopar head are closest regarding valve rotation, the Mopar block is longer than the GM blocks though, a slight disadvantage. Why is the mopar block longer? The bore spacing is the same...and IIRC, the rear overhang is very close. Just wondering.
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/12/17 01:10 PM
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Guitar Jones
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Well, WJ certainly nailed what the Camaro looks like.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/14/17 10:22 PM
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The DRCE3 head (WJ's choice) and the Mopar head are closest regarding valve rotation, the Mopar block is longer than the GM blocks though, a slight disadvantage. Why is the mopar block longer? The bore spacing is the same...and IIRC, the rear overhang is very close. Just wondering. Not sure why, you'd think Mopar and Ford would have looked at what's winning races and learn from it (like Toyota did before casting their nascar blocks). Yes, all are 4.900" bore space, but left bank to right bank bore offset is more on the Mopar, and the Ford is even more IIRC. More bore offset makes for a longer less rigid crank.
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Re: The Pro Stock circus continues
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12/15/17 09:43 AM
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The DRCE3 head (WJ's choice) and the Mopar head are closest regarding valve rotation, the Mopar block is longer than the GM blocks though, a slight disadvantage. Why is the mopar block longer? The bore spacing is the same...and IIRC, the rear overhang is very close. Just wondering. Not sure why, you'd think Mopar and Ford would have looked at what's winning races and learn from it (like Toyota did before casting their nascar blocks). Yes, all are 4.900" bore space, but left bank to right bank bore offset is more on the Mopar, and the Ford is even more IIRC. More bore offset makes for a longer less rigid crank. Well since the width of the rod journal, width of the connecting rod's big end and the bore offset are all interrelated just how many thousandths of an inch are we talking about?
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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