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#2414515 - 12/06/17 09:57 PM SBM victor set up
autoglasspro Offline
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Building a SB stroker over the winter and have some thoughts on using the new victors. My question is,what do i need to know ? Custom pistons,right ? What’s avail ? I’ve seen TTI headers,T&D rockers,what else ?! Thanks for any input

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#2414526 - 12/06/17 10:16 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
pittsburghracer Offline
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I’m window shopping too but it probably won’t happen this Winter. It sounds like the big block mopar Harlan Sharp rockers may work on these heads if I’m reading right. See when you get from the info they have on the Jegs website as they must be the mininum offset needed. Custom pistons for sure and to make them worthwhile an R3 block should be used with a nice big roller cam
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9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
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#2414556 - 12/06/17 11:52 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
J_BODY Offline
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Crower has custom rockers for the SV head... only engine I've heard of to date was one put together on a Ritter block. Member here had the build posted. Was done at Sherman Racing Engines in Pasadena TX. Seems there was another member here out of Florida that was doing a build.

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#2414616 - 12/07/17 08:36 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
scottb Offline
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Brett Miller is working on that head also go over to facebook page mopar W7 8-9 page and ask around also

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#2414627 - 12/07/17 08:59 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
CJD AUTOMOTIVE Offline
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I had Crower make the rockers for this head and Eddy offers a PN with pedestals milled.




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#2414730 - 12/07/17 12:21 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: CJD AUTOMOTIVE]
B1MAXX Offline
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Looking at the photos, couldn't you run stud style rockers?

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#2415044 - 12/07/17 10:24 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: B1MAXX]
Cab_Burge Offline
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Originally Posted By B1MAXX
Looking at the photos, couldn't you run stud style rockers?

Why would you want to run a stud style rocker on any motor that is going to rev over 5000 RPM? confused
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#2415266 - 12/08/17 12:30 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Cab_Burge]
B1MAXX Offline
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Chevy's seem to do ok. Regardless, looks like that's what it was set up for, just wondering if it was? work

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#2415616 - 12/09/17 01:31 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: scottb]
Jason B Offline
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Yes he is he has our original stuff from the Sherman build. Long story and I will start a post when we get closer to getting everything worked out it's been a long road kinda sucks being the first but it's gonna be worth it... I hope lol

As for parts anyone interested in building a victor head please PM me we have parts were no longer using that got used for a very short time and are like brand new.

Thanks , Jason Buckner
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#2415621 - 12/09/17 02:17 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: B1MAXX]
Cab_Burge Offline
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The SB Chevy where the first to need and use a stud girdle due to the severe flexing of the individual studs walking around with race springs and high RPM, not good down work
The paired shaft or individual shaft rockers used today are way better for racing, especially high RPM, with high (above 700 Lbs.) spring pressures opened use today up scope


Edited by Cab_Burge (12/09/17 02:17 AM)
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#2415705 - 12/09/17 10:25 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Cab_Burge]
B1MAXX Offline
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
The SB Chevy where the first to need and use a stud girdle due to the severe flexing of the individual studs walking around with race springs and high RPM, not good down work
The paired shaft or individual shaft rockers used today are way better for racing, especially high RPM, with high (above 700 Lbs.) spring pressures opened use today up scope


I agree with all the above iagree .
However I have built several Chevy's with the inferior valve train whiney and some go relatively well, and sing a pretty high song whistling .
How ever you are correct beer the higher end stuff that I have built ( Big Duke/Chief) has individual shaft rockers.
My main reason for asking was I wonder how many more sets would sell boogie if in fact you could run 300$ set of Harland Sharp's or the like.
While very nice and top of the line the bill for those rockers had to be quite substantial eek up

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#2415716 - 12/09/17 11:13 AM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Jason B]
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Originally Posted By Jason B
Yes he is he has our original stuff from the Sherman build. Long story and I will start a post when we get closer to getting everything worked out it's been a long road kinda sucks being the first but it's gonna be worth it... I hope lol

As for parts anyone interested in building a victor head please PM me we have parts were no longer using that got used for a very short time and are like brand new.

Thanks , Jason Buckner


hope it came apart because you wanted it apart.... Has the block been holding up? that seems to be the $1mil dollar question.

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#2415809 - 12/09/17 02:54 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: J_BODY]
Jason B Offline
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I wish I could say it did.... trust me!!! The Sherman build lasted about 15 passes before we started having major bearing issues and having an issue with the motor not sealing up.
So.... we decided to go another direction and took it to another builder to put a fresh set of eyes on everything....

Just FYI I am not going to get on here and bash or talk S. about anyone me and my dad just decided that it was best to go elsewhere now with that said here's what happened in a readers digest version because trust me I'd have to write a novel...

Put motor on Dyno...Took engine apart bearing looked like hell checked everything replaced all bearings went over the oiling system. Swapped valve train to TD 1.6 with .650 offset. Had a new camshaft ground. Put back together, back on Dyno and picked up 90 peak HP over the Sherman build. Keep in mind different dyno but motor was dynoed prior to and after rebuild.

Went racing all was looking good car went a best of 9.01 at 148 in 3500' of soupy humid air so to say the least we were very happy. Went to next race in Dallas made 3 qualifying passes car slowed way down and on the 4th pass it chunked a rod out of the oil pan!

So did some assessments and determined that we had a hair line crack in the crankshaft we didn't know about that was effects from whatever happened with the Sherman build so .... fast forward 8 months till today... oh and NO issues with the Ritter block all looks good.

Brett Miller has put one of his port designs in our head and we are currently working out valve train issues due to this being a 59* build y'all know the challenges!! So when Brett finishes his part they go to Jesel for a custom setup as this currently seems the only way to make it work with a big port blown in this head! We had a custom sheet metal intake built by TRE and another camshaft spec ground so ...... oh and new rods, new crank, external oil system setup..... ANYONE KNOW A SPONSOR IM BROKE... lol

ARE YALL AS EXCITED AS WE ARE I HOPE!!! We shall see what happens projections are to have this thing back on the dyno hopefully by end of January!
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#2415856 - 12/09/17 04:39 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Jason B]
pittsburghracer Offline
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Wholly crap!!!!!!!!!! After reading that I think I will do a freshen job on my engine, upgrade it to a roller cam, and button it back up. If I pick up .20 and it goes 9.20's be happy.
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1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
6.143@110.89 mph
9.73@135.05 mph shifting at 6700 RPM
422 Indy headed small block
6.001@113.27mph
9.44@138.23

Untitled by John Cadamore, on Flickr





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#2415862 - 12/09/17 04:49 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
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dang.... not what anybody wanted to hear Jason. If it had nothing to do with the block it sure seems a lil black cloud follows wherever they go. I'd be so nervous at that point I'd be pulling covers and the pan after the first few passes.... for a few events until my comfort level was out of the red. Sure was hauling the mail. It would be fun to have 8-10 more mph on mine, but it sure has been trouble free "as is" (9.37@142 best)

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#2415881 - 12/09/17 05:32 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: J_BODY]
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#2415883 - 12/09/17 05:34 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: W5DART66]
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#2415892 - 12/09/17 05:55 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
Jason B Offline
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Lol and there you Brett just posted the new motor PORN pictures LOL....

Guys people need to start working on this stuff we will never get anything made for us if nobody starts buying these heads. What else can you buy and run 9.0s with out of the box heads unported with a cast intake. Nothing wrong with heads or block it just needs someone to pay attention to detail.

We decided to take it this far just because nobody else has and someone needs to see what we have so now that I'm doing all the RD lets get some projects going!

You take a 408" motor mild cam with these heads out of the box cast intake in my opinion will make enough HP to take a 3000lb car 9.50s so I'm not sure why no one is doing this because we now have something similar to the Chevy guys. You can buy everything off the shelf and go race. We have already figured everything out for y'all so if you have any questions just ask!

All that just my opinion guys I just want to see more projects going we are looking forward to making good power with these bad ass Brett Miller heads
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#2415963 - 12/09/17 08:33 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: Jason B]
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Originally Posted By Jason B
Lol and there you Brett just posted the new motor PORN pictures LOL....

Guys people need to start working on this stuff we will never get anything made for us if nobody starts buying these heads. What else can you buy and run 9.0s with out of the box heads unported with a cast intake. Nothing wrong with heads or block it just needs someone to pay attention to detail.

We decided to take it this far just because nobody else has and someone needs to see what we have so now that I'm doing all the RD lets get some projects going!

You take a 408" motor mild cam with these heads out of the box cast intake in my opinion will make enough HP to take a 3000lb car 9.50s so I'm not sure why no one is doing this because we now have something similar to the Chevy guys. You can buy everything off the shelf and go race. We have already figured everything out for y'all so if you have any questions just ask!

All that just my opinion guys I just want to see more projects going we are looking forward to making good power with these bad ass Brett Miller heads



Frankly, it isnt hard at 3000 pounds to run 9.50's with even W5 or Indy heads and a non . Radical cam.What i think is scaring people is the buy in to get these things up and running for what thus far at least are unproven results.
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#2415968 - 12/09/17 08:46 PM Re: SBM victor set up [Re: autoglasspro]
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Do the SB victors oil through the head or pushrod oiling?

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