Re: SBM victor set up
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I’m window shopping too but it probably won’t happen this Winter. It sounds like the big block mopar Harlan Sharp rockers may work on these heads if I’m reading right. See when you get from the info they have on the Jegs website as they must be the mininum offset needed. Custom pistons for sure and to make them worthwhile an R3 block should be used with a nice big roller cam
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Looking at the photos, couldn't you run stud style rockers? Why would you want to run a stud style rocker on any motor that is going to rev over 5000 RPM?
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I agree with all the above . However I have built several Chevy's with the inferior valve train and some go relatively well, and sing a pretty high song . How ever you are correct the higher end stuff that I have built ( Big Duke/Chief) has individual shaft rockers. My main reason for asking was I wonder how many more sets would sell if in fact you could run 300$ set of Harland Sharp's or the like. While very nice and top of the line the bill for those rockers had to be quite substantial
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Yes he is he has our original stuff from the Sherman build. Long story and I will start a post when we get closer to getting everything worked out it's been a long road kinda sucks being the first but it's gonna be worth it... I hope lol
As for parts anyone interested in building a victor head please PM me we have parts were no longer using that got used for a very short time and are like brand new.
Thanks , Jason Buckner hope it came apart because you wanted it apart.... Has the block been holding up? that seems to be the $1mil dollar question.
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Wholly crap!!!!!!!!!! After reading that I think I will do a freshen job on my engine, upgrade it to a roller cam, and button it back up. If I pick up .20 and it goes 9.20's be happy.
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Lol and there you Brett just posted the new motor PORN pictures LOL....
Guys people need to start working on this stuff we will never get anything made for us if nobody starts buying these heads. What else can you buy and run 9.0s with out of the box heads unported with a cast intake. Nothing wrong with heads or block it just needs someone to pay attention to detail.
We decided to take it this far just because nobody else has and someone needs to see what we have so now that I'm doing all the RD lets get some projects going!
You take a 408" motor mild cam with these heads out of the box cast intake in my opinion will make enough HP to take a 3000lb car 9.50s so I'm not sure why no one is doing this because we now have something similar to the Chevy guys. You can buy everything off the shelf and go race. We have already figured everything out for y'all so if you have any questions just ask!
All that just my opinion guys I just want to see more projects going we are looking forward to making good power with these bad ass Brett Miller heads Frankly, it isnt hard at 3000 pounds to run 9.50's with even W5 or Indy heads and a non . Radical cam.What i think is scaring people is the buy in to get these things up and running for what thus far at least are unproven results.
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Lol and there you Brett just posted the new motor PORN pictures LOL....
Guys people need to start working on this stuff we will never get anything made for us if nobody starts buying these heads. What else can you buy and run 9.0s with out of the box heads unported with a cast intake. Nothing wrong with heads or block it just needs someone to pay attention to detail.
We decided to take it this far just because nobody else has and someone needs to see what we have so now that I'm doing all the RD lets get some projects going!
You take a 408" motor mild cam with these heads out of the box cast intake in my opinion will make enough HP to take a 3000lb car 9.50s so I'm not sure why no one is doing this because we now have something similar to the Chevy guys. You can buy everything off the shelf and go race. We have already figured everything out for y'all so if you have any questions just ask!
All that just my opinion guys I just want to see more projects going we are looking forward to making good power with these bad ass Brett Miller heads unfortunately I killed probably 10 sets of bearings.. and a bunch of other good parts on the way.. the issue with mine was 100% the blocks fault.. finally was able to get it squared away.. have approximately 24 passes in all or oil filters are beautiful.. before I was replacing bearings at 10 to 12 runs.. and never found a good oil filter.. there's another guy running around here with a Ritter block that is killing bearings to.. i
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Maybe the guy over on W7-8-9 can get Mopar to give him the ok to start making some blocks soon Kent will do everything in his power to keep that R3 right where it's at.. if they were reproduce.it would hurt his investment.. and he knows people.. not a proven fact just a suspicion of mind..
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I feel your pain brother I pray like hell its not the block... man we have looked in every place we can think of for any issues and can't find anything to say it's the block. The oiling system has been looked over more than a truck stop hooker lol..
Hopefully all goes well with this new direction we're going with the external oil pump custome pan and new crank. BTW way man love your car good looking ride and it hauls ass!! Keep beating on that thing those are some great numbers!!
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I agree on the 9.50 comment.. but as far as the heads being unproven I have to disagree. We no more took them out of the box put what cam we thought might work and used that BS intake Edelbrock provides for them and went 9.20s. Then we beat on it a little more and go 9.0s so I'm not sure how that's unproven we I am the only one trying to make them work. They flow better than any out of the box head that has ever been available to us and all everyone has done so far is complain about the price. It is what it is it's not cheap to race we all know this! Nobody says you have to use a Ritter block somebody take a R3 or hell even a stock block and put a set on see what happens. Unless people start working on the combination we will never know. We did it the way we thought was best so someone else needs to try another road. Good to see that you are making good power with these heads and i sure agree about all the complaints,its almost funny how people are complaining about the cost of a set of heads only to go and buy a head that is worse out of the box then spending more money on porting,correcting and changing other hardware than it would have cost in the first place to go with the "right" head..
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Re: SBM victor set up
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We'll be using one of Peterson fluid's 2 or 3 stage external pump on our 434...the block needs to be carefully looked at for restrictions in the galleys. I have no doubt the Victors OOTB are damn good, but I know they can also be better. Very good casting though...
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Where are you guys bringing in the oil at on the Ritter block.. China wall or Factory location
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Re: SBM victor set up
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The head differently can make some good power I’ve looked at the numbers Brett has posted the 1 thing I see holding them back is if your looking at a head swap there not just bolt them on and go your going to build a new short block due to the valve angle I looked at them before I did my W9 heads the W9 are hard to beat for the cost of the casting compared to the victors either way your looking at a 1200-1700 rocket set up to due it the right way Yep. Headers are very expensive too. Only TTI currently makes a set and they are proud of them. Then the lousy super victor most would run on these heads needs lots of work to make it any good. By the time you figure almost 4 grand for a bare pair of heads, expensive rocker gear, headers, different pistons required, etc, its worth taking a good look at W8/9 which probably have more potential and might well be cheaper in the whole scheme of things. Guys spouting off about people complaining should probably take a look at what ALL is involved here cost wise. I am far from a cheap skate, just have yet to see the " value for dollar" with these at the current price point And yes, Indy head motor would be be WAY cheaper to do and not a real big difference in potential for what most guys would use the motor for. I am seriously contemplating the new trick flow small block heads to stick on the 418 shortblock i have sitting around. Those LOOK like a good bang for the buck head. they will probably do what i am hoping they will. Until worthwhile blocks are ever built again, all this stuff is gonna be ultra low amount of guys anyhow.
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Full well aware of the cost involved bud. Fact remains they flow better than any out of the box head EVER offered. so say what you want I went 9.0s with unported heads and that lousy unported super Victor intake pretty damn good in my book.
And this was very early in our testing at 3500' completely gutted air!
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Great pass
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Nice pass Jason. Whats your car weigh? What tranny?
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I agree! I believe the China wall will be a far better place to bring the oil in from what I've seen on our cast iron block...assuming yours is the same. Where are you bringing in oil on yours Shiloh?
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I agree! I believe the China wall will be a far better place to bring the oil in from what I've seen on our cast iron block...assuming yours is the same. Where are you bringing in oil on yours Shiloh? bringing it in the China wall.. Brian you can always call me anytime if you would like to compare notes...
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Re: SBM victor set up
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I agree! I believe the China wall will be a far better place to bring the oil in from what I've seen on our cast iron block...assuming yours is the same. Where are you bringing in oil on yours Shiloh? bringing it in the China wall.. Brian you can always call me anytime if you would like to compare notes... I will do that when I start working on it again....prolly Feb. Thank you!
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Re: SBM victor set up
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the issue with mine was 100% the blocks fault.. finally was able to get it squared away.. have approximately 24 passes in all or oil filters are beautiful.. before I was replacing bearings at 10 to 12 runs.. and never found a good oil filter.. there's another guy running around here with a Ritter block that is killing bearings to.. i So what was the block issue? How did you fix your bearing problem? Doug
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Re: SBM victor set up
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This image is looking at the front of the block
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Re: SBM victor set up
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The top plug is the lifter galley.. the bottom plug is the main feed.. don't pay any attention to the one that has the milk running out of it that's the cam tunnel drain
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Re: SBM victor set up
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This picture is taken with the main feed plug out looking up towards the lifter galley... the one with the light coming through it was down size to 5/16.. just before it got to the main feed which was clearly not enough oil to feed all the rods and mains
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This picture was taken looking down from the top of the China wall it was drilled short approximately 1in of hitting the main feed... I upsized the drill bit one at a time until until I was happy with the size.. and yes in the top photo there was water in the oil because of porosity in the Block in the cam tunnel area just in case you were wondering what that white stuff was... essentially cutting our Dyno day short
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Re: SBM victor set up
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Scott trust me he knows that I've talked to him a few times he's a one man show I believe he's doing what he can he has fought several issues with the foundries making the blocks. Last I spoke to him he was going to a new foundry with high hopes not sure if he's had any luck. But as I said before at least he's trying Your a good and patient man. Kent should be skinned alive for taking money for such junk
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At this point in time the aluminum Ritter block in mine has been great, no problems. WhiteDart are you feeding the oil into the motor on the front China wall? I drilled and taped the hole between the upper and lower oil gallies and put a restricter in to slow the oil down going to the top end. I am feeding mine through the back of the block.
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At this point in time the aluminum Ritter block in mine has been great, no problems. WhiteDart are you feeding the oil into the motor on the front China wall? I drilled and taped the hole between the upper and lower oil gallies and put a restricter in to slow the oil down going to the top end. I am feeding mine through the back of the block. when you say at this point in time.. is that because you have had bearing issues also??.. how many passes has it been happy.. mine is restricted at the bushing.. I thought you were running bushings as well
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That is great news..how fast has it went .. the aluminum block has my interest unfortunately I can't give him any more of my money..
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