Re: Transmission dead?
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2005 Durango Limited 5.7 Hemi w/tow package
The truck has been running strong with no issues.
Suddenly, while heading up a hill to my house today, the RPMs wind out and I come to a stop. The transmission isn't going anywhere in any setting.
I was listening to the radio at the time and didn't notice any unusual sounds when it happened.
There's now a high pitch whine that varies with engine RPM. Sounds like a power steering pump that's low on fluid.
When I turned off the engine there was kind of a grinding noise that changed pitch as the engine came to a stop.
Any suggestions on what happened? I do have quite a bit of experience repairing cars but that was from the 70s/80s.
Thanks, Duane I'll put my money on the converter, typical "Mopar" issue, it grenaded internally and flushed all the shrapnel thru out the transmission... DAMHIK
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Isn't there a valve in one of the cooler lines that can cause trouble Or is that another truck model? The valve in the cooler line can get gummed up and keep the trans fluid from circulating, cooking the trans. Doesn't seem the fluid is burned here. Throw any codes?
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Is this a 4 wheel drive vehicle. The grinding could be a converter if it took out the turbine splines but that is not common on those units. Tell that to my wallet, as I had a converter failure in my 99 Ram 4X4 that destroyed the trans in no less than 20 mins after the converter started it's "death cry"... My 2010 Ram 4X4 suffered the same fate, my Daughter's 2003 4X4 2500 I traded it just as the converter started whining as I didn't need another tranny rebuild bill for $2K+ , and my buddy's 2005 2WD Ram died from the same cause...no more Rams for me, my tranny guy (funny I never needed a "tranny guy" until I started buy Dodge Rams) says this is a common problem he's seen with Dodge trannys over the years, junk factory supplied converters that can't hold up, that end up puking their ground internals thru out the transmission (none of these trucks ever towed a trailer, but eventually end up being towed! to the tranny shop)
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Re: Transmission dead?
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I found when I would get them in with a loud whine when reving the eng it was usually the filter clogged and/or the cooler clogged. But what clogs them is the problem as I have seen converter clutch material do it many times. If it wont move at all I would check to see if the pump has any pressure at all as it may be caused by the converter. I have driven some with clogged filters that would just stop moving while driving and then when they sit about 20 minutes turned off it will start up and drive a bit again. Ron
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Is this a 4 wheel drive vehicle. The grinding could be a converter if it took out the turbine splines but that is not common on those units. Tell that to my wallet, as I had a converter failure in my 99 Ram 4X4 that destroyed the trans in no less than 20 mins after the converter started it's "death cry"... My 2010 Ram 4X4 suffered the same fate, my Daughter's 2003 4X4 2500 I traded it just as the converter started whining as I didn't need another tranny rebuild bill for $2K+ , and my buddy's 2005 2WD Ram died from the same cause...no more Rams for me, my tranny guy (funny I never needed a "tranny guy" until I started buy Dodge Rams) says this is a common problem he's seen with Dodge trannys over the years, junk factory supplied converters that can't hold up, that end up puking their ground internals thru out the transmission (none of these trucks ever towed a trailer, but eventually end up being towed! to the tranny shop) Read my post again. - I'm talking about turbine spline failures - those are not very common. As for your experiences - sounds like you shouldn't be driving a Dodge.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Is this a 4 wheel drive vehicle. The grinding could be a converter if it took out the turbine splines but that is not common on those units. Tell that to my wallet, as I had a converter failure in my 99 Ram 4X4 that destroyed the trans in no less than 20 mins after the converter started it's "death cry"... My 2010 Ram 4X4 suffered the same fate, my Daughter's 2003 4X4 2500 I traded it just as the converter started whining as I didn't need another tranny rebuild bill for $2K+ , and my buddy's 2005 2WD Ram died from the same cause...no more Rams for me, my tranny guy (funny I never needed a "tranny guy" until I started buy Dodge Rams) says this is a common problem he's seen with Dodge trannys over the years, junk factory supplied converters that can't hold up, that end up puking their ground internals thru out the transmission (none of these trucks ever towed a trailer, but eventually end up being towed! to the tranny shop) Read my post again. - I'm talking about turbine spline failures - those are not very common. As for your experiences - sounds like you shouldn't be driving a Dodge. Uhhh...my bad, I just saw "converter", missed turbine spline failure... but your right also on "shouldn't be driving Dodges", I realized after blind loyalty of buying 4 Rams that I needed a truck that could be reliable so I bought my first Chevy Silverado 4X4, best truck I've ever had truthfully...
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Is this a 4 wheel drive vehicle. The grinding could be a converter if it took out the turbine splines but that is not common on those units. Tell that to my wallet, as I had a converter failure in my 99 Ram 4X4 that destroyed the trans in no less than 20 mins after the converter started it's "death cry"... My 2010 Ram 4X4 suffered the same fate, my Daughter's 2003 4X4 2500 I traded it just as the converter started whining as I didn't need another tranny rebuild bill for $2K+ , and my buddy's 2005 2WD Ram died from the same cause...no more Rams for me, my tranny guy (funny I never needed a "tranny guy" until I started buy Dodge Rams) says this is a common problem he's seen with Dodge trannys over the years, junk factory supplied converters that can't hold up, that end up puking their ground internals thru out the transmission (none of these trucks ever towed a trailer, but eventually end up being towed! to the tranny shop) My daughters 2000 Ram 1500 has done the converter trash 2 times. GERRRRRRR
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Unless someone knowledgeable took your transmissions apart and fully understands failure modes I am having a hard time understanding how anyone could blame a trans failure on the converter. Whining does not automatically mean converter failure, nor does no drive with whining, and on and on. What does happen more time than not is where there truly is a converter failure and the trans AND the cooler are not properly repaired. Cooler flushing was a pissing match for a long time with the dealerships and what worked in the "old" days stopped working when we went to stacked plate coolers. In the end we had the tech line tell the dealer techs if you have a trans failure - replace the cooler. Seems all the repeat converter failures ended. The posts here do not mention transmission type. Many of the 42/44/46/47 lockup gas engine converters had issues with the lockup piston in heavy truck usage - that was fixed around 2002/2003 with a "positive taper" piston. Failures went to almost zero based on warranty return analysis. The RFE converters had issues in heavy trailer tow applications due to overheating causing the hockey puck to fail - it was made of phenolic resin. FWD units had some issues but mostly shudder related due to some quality issues along with software. Not defending Chrysler - just explaining things. And by the way - if you don't buy a Mopar Reman converter you DONT get the upgrades that were made.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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From the audio it could be the pump.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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It's AWD. Is this a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Make sure nothing happened to the transfer case. Have someone start the vehicle up and place in drive and listen and feel the transfer case if equipped. The grinding could be a converter if it took out the turbine splines but that is not common on those units.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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I dropped the valve body. Those bolts are all tight. Look on the side of the valve body - there should be a long metal "strap" that holds the accumulator pistons in place - these sometimes pull the screws out and cause a gigantic leak.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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No, No codes. Isn't there a valve in one of the cooler lines that can cause trouble Or is that another truck model? The valve in the cooler line can get gummed up and keep the trans fluid from circulating, cooking the trans. Doesn't seem the fluid is burned here. Throw any codes?
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Re: Transmission dead?
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My mistake, there actually are codes.... P0750 Shift Solenoid 'A' P0700 Trans Control System I don't know why they didn't show up the first time. Get it off the ground - start it up and out in gear and feel/listen to the transfer unit - can't remember the last time I saw an RFE unit act like yours and not set a code. Sounds like something else gave up he ghost.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Look on the side of the valve body - there should be a long metal "strap" that holds the accumulator pistons in place - these sometimes pull the screws out and cause a gigantic leak. Saw that a good bit at the dealer. I had one loose line pressure on one when the plate screws came loose and the plate let an accumlator piston fall out. Ron
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Re: Transmission dead?
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I doubt anyone could blame a solenoid pack in regards to grinding on engine shutoff. They do make noise sometimes on initial engagement but I doubt you would hear a RFE since it's in the pan. The 41TE used to cause a noise like dragging your finger across the teeth of a comb but that solenoid module was external.
I don't see where you checked for cooler flow to see if the pump is working properly. I don't see where you checked to see if the drivetrain is ok - an AWD has a module that can fail and cause a no-drive condition. If there is no cooler flow and no line pressure you need to drop the trans and check the regulator and tc control valves.
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Re: Transmission dead?
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Well it's not really grinding. That's just the closest description I could come up with at the time. Since then I recorded it and have been able to listen to it multiple times. It's probably closer to the sound when you put the trans into park while still rolling. Though not as loud. like dragging your finger across the teeth of a comb That actually descibes the sound pretty well. I doubt anyone could blame a solenoid pack in regards to grinding on engine shutoff.
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