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Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? #240421 03/01/09 09:51 PM 03/01/09 09:51 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine itali83 OP member
itali83 OP member Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine	I'm converting my power steering car to manual and like to know what my options for an adapter are. I know flaming river makes an adapter but for almost 200 bucks, I'd like to figure something out other than that. Has anyone found another pre made adapter, or made their own? If so how did you do it and how did it attach to the original shaft? Thanks in advance! '68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240422 03/01/09 10:12 PM 03/01/09 10:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I bought this one from Mancini for $119. about 2 years ago. I believe it is made by Firm Feel. And it works great on my 63. Ron

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my opti [Re: itali83] #240423 03/01/09 10:17 PM 03/01/09 10:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left. C cogen80 master
cogen80 master C Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 5,337 the house on the left.	i like the flaming river one the best

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my opti [Re: cogen80] #240424 03/02/09 01:49 PM 03/02/09 01:49 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine itali83 OP member
itali83 OP member Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine	anyone else! '68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my opti [Re: itali83] #240425 03/02/09 02:23 PM 03/02/09 02:23 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,358 Berwyn, IL challenger70 master
challenger70 master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,358 Berwyn, IL	Those are the only 2 I found when I was looking, I think the flaming river is a nicer looking piece and went with that.

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240426 03/02/09 02:26 PM 03/02/09 02:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States STLDuster super stock
STLDuster super stock Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,075 United States	I bought one from mancini last year, along with a Mancini 20:1 Worm gear. They really didn't fit together and I actually regret buying it. It was a major pain; I wish I would have bought a Firm Feel Adapter. Last edited by STLDuster; 03/02/09 02:29 PM. "No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." - Aristotle

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: STLDuster] #240427 03/02/09 06:04 PM 03/02/09 06:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,801 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,801 A collage of whims	From time to time they come up on eBay for around $75, and they're also available from Mopar.

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: topside] #240428 03/02/09 06:11 PM 03/02/09 06:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA Silver70 I Live Here
Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	For 200 bucks I'd be changing the column! 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: Silver70] #240429 03/02/09 08:36 PM 03/02/09 08:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,648 USA M max super gas
max super gas M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,648 USA	several years ago i went the other direction from manual to power on my 70 Challenger. my father and i took the column out and then on the bench we took the shaft out of the column and there was a couple of crash pins that we knocked out. slid the shaft up to the next set of holes and put another set of pins back in. so in reality the stock shaft was used for both manual and power steering set ups.

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: max] #240430 03/02/09 08:40 PM 03/02/09 08:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine itali83 OP member
itali83 OP member Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine	Quote: several years ago i went the other direction from manual to power on my 70 Challenger. my father and i took the column out and then on the bench we took the shaft out of the column and there was a couple of crash pins that we knocked out. slid the shaft up to the next set of holes and put another set of pins back in. so in reality the stock shaft was used for both manual and power steering set ups. You know, now that you say that, I have the column completely apart. And I see the the shaft is in two pieces and has what looks like white plastic, nylon maybe, that is holding the two halves together and I was wondering what that was for. So the column will collaps in the unfortunite event of a head on collision? So you are saying that the two halves of the steering shaft are the same, just bonded together in different places depending on the steering box? I'd like to go that route if possible and safe. '68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240431 03/02/09 09:18 PM 03/02/09 09:18 PM
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69L78Nova Banned. Forever. 6 Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,327 Glendale, AZ	Go to the junkyard and get one out of a B-van. I know theres actually one sitting down at my local u-pull-it yard 1969 Nova 454/M21/3.31 Mild mid-11 second weekend cruiser 1994 F150 XLT Super Cab 2WD 5.0/4R70W/3.55 (Daily driver)

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240432 03/02/09 09:37 PM 03/02/09 09:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,648 USA M max super gas
max super gas M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,648 USA	Quote: Quote: several years ago i went the other direction from manual to power on my 70 Challenger. my father and i took the column out and then on the bench we took the shaft out of the column and there was a couple of crash pins that we knocked out. slid the shaft up to the next set of holes and put another set of pins back in. so in reality the stock shaft was used for both manual and power steering set ups. You know, now that you say that, I have the column completely apart. And I see the the shaft is in two pieces and has what looks like white plastic, nylon maybe, that is holding the two halves together and I was wondering what that was for. So the column will collaps in the unfortunite event of a head on collision? So you are saying that the two halves of the steering shaft are the same, just bonded together in different places depending on the steering box? I'd like to go that route if possible and safe. it has been a good while since we did that but i believe they were nylon and yes they are there in case of a head on collision so the shaft will collapes. i don't know if every column is the same but i'm thinking the one in my Challenger had 2 sets of holes and we just slid the shaft to the upper set of holes and repined it. i just don't remember right off hand what we used to repin the shaft.

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: max] #240433 03/02/09 11:02 PM 03/02/09 11:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine itali83 OP member
itali83 OP member Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine	Quote: Quote: Quote: several years ago i went the other direction from manual to power on my 70 Challenger. my father and i took the column out and then on the bench we took the shaft out of the column and there was a couple of crash pins that we knocked out. slid the shaft up to the next set of holes and put another set of pins back in. so in reality the stock shaft was used for both manual and power steering set ups. You know, now that you say that, I have the column completely apart. And I see the the shaft is in two pieces and has what looks like white plastic, nylon maybe, that is holding the two halves together and I was wondering what that was for. So the column will collaps in the unfortunite event of a head on collision? So you are saying that the two halves of the steering shaft are the same, just bonded together in different places depending on the steering box? I'd like to go that route if possible and safe. it has been a good while since we did that but i believe they were nylon and yes they are there in case of a head on collision so the shaft will collapes. i don't know if every column is the same but i'm thinking the one in my Challenger had 2 sets of holes and we just slid the shaft to the upper set of holes and repined it. i just don't remember right off hand what we used to repin the shaft. Try and remember what you did because this sounds like a plan to me. I'd like to figure something out that will work the same way god forbid I get in an accident with this car the steering column will collapse like it should. Thanks again. '68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240434 03/02/09 11:20 PM 03/02/09 11:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,076 Renton, Wa. C Classof70Chally super gas
Classof70Chally super gas C Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,076 Renton, Wa.	As far as repinning the shaft goes just go to the hardware store and find the appropriate sized Nylon machine screw and nut. It will be strong enough to hold everything together but will shear when need be in an accident!

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: Classof70Chally] #240435 03/02/09 11:51 PM 03/02/09 11:51 PM
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71 FJ6 Charger mopar 7 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 403 NE Ohio	I just did this conversion to my 71 Charger. YOu will seperate the shafts approximatley 3.5" apart.You dont have to put any nylon screws back in at all,it should be tight enough.Remember,you had to BEAT them apart,atleast 9 times out of 10.For piece of mind,scratch it up and put some JB Weld on it,it will still collapse. If I did it again,I would extend it 3 3/4"(same length as the adaptors),if it is too long,you can beat it back in. If you are too short,you gotta take ALL back apart and do it again. 3.5" on the heavy side(meaning a tad longer)will have you safely down into the coupler. Make sure you have the coupler for the manual box,as they are different,also put your pin back in the coupler to keep the shaft from coming out,(like it's going to anyway,not!).Here is a pic,you can see by the surface rust how much I brought it out. Good luck! 5066319-column.JPG (67 downloads) '71 383HP FJ6 Charger SE

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: 71 FJ6 Charger] #240436 03/02/09 11:55 PM 03/02/09 11:55 PM
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71 FJ6 Charger mopar 7 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 403 NE Ohio	Cost me a 6 pak of Dortmunders! '71 383HP FJ6 Charger SE

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240437 03/03/09 02:49 AM 03/03/09 02:49 AM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,234 Looking for a way out of Middl... IMGTX I Live Here
IMGTX I Live Here Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,234 Looking for a way out of Middl...	Just an FYI. 1. They are not all the same shafts. They are not supposed to be "adjustable". There is a specific upper and lower shaft for each body style. There may be some cross platform swapping but you have to have the length chart to make comarisions. Stretching or shortening a shaft at the least will reduce the ability to collapse in an accident or make it easier to misalign and bind or come apart if the shafts are not long enough. 2. They are not nylon shear pins. I though they were until I saw pictures of a shaft Julesthewiperman disassembled. They are injection points for a nylon binder that rests in a groove around the inner shaft. That being said you can probably or shorten the shaft and never have a problem as long as you don't have a serious accident. I would be much more concerned about lengthening it if I did not know exactly how much overlap the two shafts still had. Play at your own risk but remember there will be others in the car and in the cars around you. I suggest the van adapter if you can find it as a cheap alternative.

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: IMGTX] #240438 03/03/09 03:30 AM 03/03/09 03:30 AM
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71 FJ6 Charger mopar 7 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 403 NE Ohio	You would end up with about half of what you start with. I see your points,but I dont see how it would'nt collapse like a manual column rod would. The manual rod is only that much longer. I also see what you mean about the length differences model to model,I did my 70 Dart a few years back and it was of course shorter than the one in the Charger I just did. I considered welding a piece in,but felt better going this route,20 years ago maybe... Those adaptors are just outrageous cash.Even the van ones anymore,if you find them. '71 383HP FJ6 Charger SE

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: 71 FJ6 Charger] #240439 03/03/09 07:45 AM 03/03/09 07:45 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine itali83 OP member
itali83 OP member Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 169 Maine	Thanks guys, I'm defintly going to look at everything and make a decision on safety. I'm doing a ground up restoration and another 200 bucks is nothing in the big scheme of things, but if I can make it safe for less, I'm defintly going to go that route. What is this van adapter people are talking about? I'm not familliar with this. Thanks again! '68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification

Re: Power to Manual steering adapters, what are my options? [Re: itali83] #240440 03/03/09 09:40 AM 03/03/09 09:40 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I think with the van adaptor the coupler from a manual steer colum is still needed.

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