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#2400903 - 11/09/17 08:05 AM 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths
moparo Offline
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I am looking for dimensions of the Hemi ebody throttle cable.

1. I need the length of the exterior cable which is the part from the firewall to the Carb closed position.

2. I need the full length of the cable.

Thanks for any help.


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#2400914 - 11/09/17 08:37 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
71birdJ68 Offline
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What are you trying to do? Make one?

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#2401001 - 11/09/17 11:53 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: 71birdJ68]
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mopar chassis manual list as hemi pn# 3418841 length as overall at 19.50 and the housing at 10.00 does n't break down bodies .Hope this helps

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#2401013 - 11/09/17 12:18 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: GVH]
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That's why I was asking him, what he was trying to do. E bodies, and 71 B bodies are different than the older cars. I need one myself, and the repos are junk.

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#2401040 - 11/09/17 01:35 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: 71birdJ68]
moparo Offline
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Yes I am gearing up to take original longer cables and turn them
Into hemi cables.


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#2401108 - 11/09/17 04:19 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
71birdJ68 Offline
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The problem with my repo is the inner cable sheath cracks, and brakes off, and mine will hang up when I get on it. china made junk.

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#2401152 - 11/09/17 07:03 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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I can offer a restored original or a repop if requested.
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#2401155 - 11/09/17 07:05 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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What is the name of your company? Please. And what are the prices, restored, vs repo?


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#2401201 - 11/09/17 08:56 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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We are in the process of determining what is involved which I will have the first one on a car by next week. Looks like this will be happening.
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#2401220 - 11/09/17 10:11 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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Your web site doesn't say anything , is this gonna be a china repo? china made ones are available now.

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#2401348 - 11/10/17 09:31 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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MB I have a new Mopar Performance Throttle Cable with a part number of P4529112, if that is what you are looking for or is it for a another year beside a 1970-71 E Body. How many 1971 Hemi E Bodies have you restored now.
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#2401370 - 11/10/17 10:17 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: hemicar1971]
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It also is for a 71 B body.

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#2401377 - 11/10/17 10:33 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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So since 71 share a common unibody this is the cable the op is looking for to copy. It will just save me trying to get a measurement off two cars that are next to impossible to get to for a measurement.

So this is what Mauro is looking for.
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#2401415 - 11/10/17 12:20 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: hemicar1971]
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Yes, e and 71 b the same. The 70/71 parts book gives a p/n of 3418 841. My question to the op is his repo cables going to be made in china? I'm on my second one, the first on broke at the ball on first use, and the second one just lasted 2000 miles before it started to disintegrate. PG in Canada is from what I can find out the only importer for these cables.
Just wondering....could the firewall plastic grommet on a 71 be made to fit the 68/69 cable like the MP P4529112 like you talked about. There are still a few dealers that have them in stock. Reason I ask is they are only around $30.


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#2401548 - 11/10/17 05:04 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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Originally Posted By moparo
Yes I am gearing up to take original longer cables and turn them
Into hemi cables.

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#2401558 - 11/10/17 05:18 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: 71GTX471]
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Ok, then I want one.

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#2401634 - 11/10/17 07:56 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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The OP is likely not going to have them made in China, I would think they will be made in Ontario were he lives. I think this would be a small build with numbers. If the part number I listed is what he needs to copy to make a 1971 or 1970 Hemi E Body Throttle Cable I will lend it to him so he can have these done but the OP is very particular being in the OEM GOLD restoration Business so it has to be correct for him to copy. I guess I will have to give Mauro a call.
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#2401667 - 11/10/17 08:51 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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Yes no China. I now has the sizes and modified a cable. I am waiting for samples of different ball ends and fastening methods.
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#2401708 - 11/10/17 10:13 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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Thanks for the answers to what I have Mauro, it is a B Body Hemi Throttle Cable like you told me on the phone. A little shorter than an E Body Cable and a different firewall piece also. I would say there is a small market for these 1970-71 E Body and 1971 B Body Hemi Throttle Cables but if 1500 Hemi Cars is a small market and then add in the clones. If one ever breaks on your Hemi Car were would you find one that works correctly and how long would your Hemi Car be sitting for till you can pry one out of someone that has the real deal. I would likely be interested in a Back up Cable if you make enough of them, better to be prepared with one on the shelf than to look for one all summer and likely this is a one time deal if MB decides to make a run of them.
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#2401739 - 11/10/17 11:21 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: hemicar1971]
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Like I said, only one source for them now, and those are junk, if you want to drive your car any, you could put one of those on and never have to depend on it, if it is a trailer queen. The problem with the current repos is durability, mine worked fine until it started to fall apart...so, I'm not gonna spend another 70/80 dollars plus shipping from Canada for a cable that only will last one summer. Now, I'm talking about the current cables that are for sell.

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#2401763 - 11/11/17 02:15 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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The OP is going to have some test done on just how durable it will be if he does this and sells it to the public. He completely understands were the weak points are in the cables and would improve those areas before something would be offered to the public. The OP does have a Manufacturing and Restoration back ground. There are a lot of things that PG needs to improve on products they sell. 71birdj68 have you talked to them about their quality of this product. Likely there has never been any durability tests on this product and they would rely on the public for feed back. Does not mean anything would be done about the product but you hope they would.
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#2401791 - 11/11/17 08:01 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: hemicar1971]
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The last time I commented on a conversation I had with PG, I got a vacation from here. I called them about something else, and the response was like everybody else in the industry, nobody else has complained, must just be me. I welcome what the OP is doing, as this is a product that is needed.


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#2401841 - 11/11/17 09:28 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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We all know that China produces some real bad stuff. A lot of stuff they produce is a replica of something for our vehicles. Replica meaning it looks very similar but sometimes does not have the durability of an original Chrysler piece. If you post pictures of why the cable is not a product that is working well on a Vehicle I have no problem with that. PG I believe does not have the Licencing from Chrysler so no part number or Chrysler logo can be put on them. Same pieces are sold with part numbers and casting numbers by others, same product with the Licencing for more money. Chrysler is just getting their cut off the product and likely never has done any quality control of the products. If people have a problem with a product sold I want to hear about it and will investigate the problem with others. We all need a consumers report on products we do not want to waste our money on and that is one reason we come on Moparts.

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#2401895 - 11/11/17 10:58 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: hemicar1971]
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Like I said my first cable broke at the ball where it goes on the gas pedal the first time I pushed the pedal, then the cable I have now after one summer, and around 2000 miles, there is an inner sheath that covers the cable, and it started braking and falling off, and I think that when I push the throttle past a certain point it will hang up.

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#2403015 - 11/13/17 11:07 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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First cable in in a car and was driven, this cable is functioning fine.
I found a supplier for the ball ends and ordered 100. I also have the specs for the method of fastening the ball and the specs for testing the strength of the swedge.

Looks very promising, what I will offer is cable restoration service of original cables only. Price will be determined once I am ready to offer he service which is after I test the cable.
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#2403021 - 11/13/17 11:15 AM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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For what it's worth. My car (70' Charger) has had a 440 4 barrel, a 440 Six pack & a dual car 426 Hemi in it over the years all with the same throttle cable with no issues. May not have been 100% factory correct but it worked just fine.
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#2403054 - 11/13/17 12:26 PM Re: 70/71 hemi ebody throttle cable lengths [Re: moparo]
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Thank you for the effort. Could you do the same for the oil filler caps?

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