Any feedback on 440 Source I beam rods?
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It's time for me to put the 440 together for the Imperial. We're looking at a depressingly tame build made for low to mid range torque. An old desktop dyno program gives it a whopping 450 lb/ft and an almost-but-not-quite 400 hp.
I'm trying to build this thing correctly but without spending cubic dollars to get there.
The rods are the last pieces of the puzzle. To me, it just isn't worth it to deal with old rods and new bolts if I can get a set of basic rods for $250.
Have any of you guys messed with these things? If so, how did they look and were there any problems?
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I should have stated I beam rods. Please disregard the first couple responses.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I ran a set for years in my Daytona that was running 8.60's@158mph. That assembly is still running in a street car today. Over the Winter I will be building a 512 for my green duster that should run 8's with a 440source assembly
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I have used the 440 Source H-beam rods to over 900 HP. I will not use the $250 I-beam rods again.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I have used the 440 Source H-beam rods to over 900 HP. I will not use the $250 I-beam rods again. OOPSIE!! I read their site last night and thought it was the H-beam rods. It must be the I beams I'm thinking about. What was wrong with the cheap rods? Were they out of spec junk?
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I bought their I beam rods years, have a couple thousand runs on them. I didn't think they sold I beam rods anymore, just H
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I bought their I beam rods years, have a couple thousand runs on them. I didn't think they sold I beam rods anymore, just H They stopped selling the I beam rods because they were junk and often broke. I warned many to avoid those
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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The H vs. I argument is now more than 100 years old, and there is no answer.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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The H vs. I argument is now more than 100 years old, and there is no answer. That wasn't the question. I wanted to know of the budget friendly rods were worth using on a stock-ish engine build.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I think there may be some confusion in this conversation. Source used to sell a performance I-beam rod that IIRC, they actually charged more for than their H-beam "platinum" rods. I believe that is the rod that was discontinued, and that is the source of problems referenced above. The $250 rods that the OP is referencing is just their "stock replacement" rod. This just looks to be a copy of an LY rod with caps crew bolts and fit for a floating .990 pin. Edit: they are not a .990 floating pin rod... they truly are a stock replacement with a non-bushed 1.094" press-fit piston pin bore.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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The H vs. I argument is now more than 100 years old, and there is no answer. That wasn't the question. I wanted to know of the budget friendly rods were worth using on a stock-ish engine build. I'm using very inexpensive SCAT rods in my low deck 470. That engine makes 700+ hp and has over 100 dyno pulls. But, they are Chevy BBC type rods which is why they are super cheap. Mopar stuff is low volume so the cheap Mopar parts sometimes aren't very high quality. High volume Chevy parts can be both high quality and low cost.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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They weigh a Ton and the bolt / thread deal is horrible The threads look like they were done with a worn out tool from 1944 I had One set of those-two of the bolts ripped at the threads when they were disassembled--they sent some bolts after pouting a bit--I chased the threads and used them but never again!! I thought they were garbage
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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They weigh a Ton and the bolt / thread deal is horrible The threads look like they were done with a worn out tool from 1944 I had One set of those-two of the bolts ripped at the threads when they were disassembled--they sent some bolts after pouting a bit--I chased the threads and used them but never again!! I thought they were garbage too bad you had a bad experience, I was uncomfortable about the no name bolts so I did put ARP bolts in them. Mine weighed 852 grams, my engine shop said they were actually a bit lighter than a standard 440 rod. I've had no problems in a 10.30 bracket car.
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I think there may be some confusion in this conversation. Source used to sell a performance I-beam rod that IIRC, they actually charged more for than their H-beam "platinum" rods. I believe that is the rod that was discontinued, and that is the source of problems referenced above.
Hmmm...... I have a set of these I bought back in 2006, and yes they were $25 more than the H beams. I have never run this engine and was hoping to put it on the dyno this fall. This sure does shake my confidence !
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I use their .990 pin I beam rods that are bushed for floating pins. My brother has used them in a few builds also. The only thing I had on them was the pin was a tad tight and I honed the bushing a tad more to fix it. They have been in my eng since 2011 with alot of street miles and about 30 track passes on them. They have held up fine in my eng. Ron
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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I use their .990 pin I beam rads that are bushed for floating pins. My brother has used them in a few builds also. The only thing I had on them was the pin was a tad tight and I honed the bushing a tad more to fix it. They have been in my eng since 2011 with alot of street miles and about 30 track passes on them. They have held up fine in my eng. Ron Ron, that's good to hear. My .990 pins had to be honed too. Other than that, they checked out fine. This is mainly a street engine, but may see the strip. It's 470" stroker kit and the I beams were optional. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Any feedback on 440 Source H beam rods?
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Here's what's available now for $250. http://store.440source.com/Connecting-Rods-RB-with-Capscrew-bolts-Set-of-8/productinfo/200-1132/They are set up for pressed pins which means you can run any piston that has the 1.094 wristpin, you run a floating pin piston the same way you run the pressed pin piston. Either pin is the same OD so the rod will grab either pin the same. No need for the pin locks if you're running pressed pin-style. Or, you could hone them to the proper clearance, drill an oil hole and run steel on steel. It's been done. I don't think I would waste time bushing them. The advantages are that they are new, they're made of better material, although they're not 4340. They have 7/16" rod bolts which are something like 40% stronger/stiffer than 3/8" bolts. That's reassuring if you're slinging those stock pistons around. The disadvantage is that they're 0.008" short. Another disadvantage is that you know you didn't spend as much as you could on rods, so until you wrap that engine up to its non-racing redline a few times you are going to have your doubts. You want to talk about cheap rods, I bought a set of CAT stock 440 replacement rods for $76.00 on ebay a couple of years ago. I won't know if they were a deal or not until I try them. They don't look anywhere near as nice as the 440Source stock replacements. R.
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