Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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I just broke in my fresh 440. It has Harland Sharpe roller rockers. It's really noisy with clatter. The builder said he likes to set them up "loose" and I may want to tighten them down once I get the engine broken in. I've heard other mopar guys complain about this builder doing the same to them on their RB engine.
Can one of you engine builders give me the 411 on how to properly set the tension on them so that I don't go deaf under the hood?
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Which heads, aluminum or iron and what is the suggested hot valve lash for your cam? Looser than stock is not the way I would break in a new cam or motor
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Here's what I found on the web. Is it correct?
Most auto repair manuals will list procedures for adjusting two valves at a time while following the firing order. And while adjustments can be made that way, for performance cams COMP Cams advises a more precise method.
When the exhaust valve just begins to open on the number 1 cylinder, adjust the number 1 intake valve. Loosen the adjusting nut slightly until lash can be felt in the rocker arm. While spinning the pushrod with your fingers tighten the adjusting nut—when a slight resistance is felt the valve is at zero lash, or the point where all the slack is removed. Turn the adjusting nut an additional 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn past this point (depending on the cam manufacturer’s specs) to achieve optimal preload on the lifter. Follow this procedure to adjust each intake valve according to the firing order.
To adjust the exhaust valves a similar procedure is used. Turn the engine over until the intake pushrod moves all the way up. Rotate just past maximum lift, where the intake will begin to close. The lifter is now at the base circle, and the exhaust valve can be adjusted. Do not go too far down (over halfway) past the point of maximum lift. If you go too far, you will be in the overlap cycle—where intake valve lash is being taken up as the exhaust valve begins to open. Then follow the same steps of spinning the pushrods and tightening the adjustment nuts.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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it's been 3 years but I do believe that the builder said that he sets them at zero lash and that if it's too noisy, to crank them down 3/4 turn. This may explain things. I am not about to just popping the covers and cranking them down. I want them absolutely right.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Should be zero lash with maybe a 1/4 or 1/2 turn more for lifter preloading. Hydraulic cams were made to be quiet. There should be no tappet noise coming from the engine. This and the stocker motors I worked on at Pettis would set em at zero..........
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Here's what I found on the web. Is it correct?
Most auto repair manuals will list procedures for adjusting two valves at a time while following the firing order. And while adjustments can be made that way, for performance cams COMP Cams advises a more precise method.
When the exhaust valve just begins to open on the number 1 cylinder, adjust the number 1 intake valve. Loosen the adjusting nut slightly until lash can be felt in the rocker arm. While spinning the pushrod with your fingers tighten the adjusting nut—when a slight resistance is felt the valve is at zero lash, or the point where all the slack is removed. Turn the adjusting nut an additional 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn past this point (depending on the cam manufacturer’s specs) to achieve optimal preload on the lifter. Follow this procedure to adjust each intake valve according to the firing order.
To adjust the exhaust valves a similar procedure is used. Turn the engine over until the intake pushrod moves all the way up. Rotate just past maximum lift, where the intake will begin to close. The lifter is now at the base circle, and the exhaust valve can be adjusted. Do not go too far down (over halfway) past the point of maximum lift. If you go too far, you will be in the overlap cycle—where intake valve lash is being taken up as the exhaust valve begins to open. Then follow the same steps of spinning the pushrods and tightening the adjustment nuts. This is correct! Remove the valve covers, bump the engine over and do just like the procedure says. It's easy and will be a good learning experience for you.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Here's what I found on the web. Is it correct?
Most auto repair manuals will list procedures for adjusting two valves at a time while following the firing order. And while adjustments can be made that way, for performance cams COMP Cams advises a more precise method.
When the exhaust valve just begins to open on the number 1 cylinder, adjust the number 1 intake valve. Loosen the adjusting nut slightly until lash can be felt in the rocker arm. While spinning the pushrod with your fingers tighten the adjusting nut—when a slight resistance is felt the valve is at zero lash, or the point where all the slack is removed. Turn the adjusting nut an additional 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn past this point (depending on the cam manufacturer’s specs) to achieve optimal preload on the lifter. Follow this procedure to adjust each intake valve according to the firing order.
To adjust the exhaust valves a similar procedure is used. Turn the engine over until the intake pushrod moves all the way up. Rotate just past maximum lift, where the intake will begin to close. The lifter is now at the base circle, and the exhaust valve can be adjusted. Do not go too far down (over halfway) past the point of maximum lift. If you go too far, you will be in the overlap cycle—where intake valve lash is being taken up as the exhaust valve begins to open. Then follow the same steps of spinning the pushrods and tightening the adjustment nuts. This is correct! Remove the valve covers, bump the engine over and do just like the procedure says. It's easy and will be a good learning experience for you. I'll give it a go. not afraid to try anything, but always want to go in with the right info!
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Thats right but you can forget about the overlap part of it.. its still closed so it can be adjusted to the right spec
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Here's what I found on the web. Is it correct?
When the exhaust valve just begins to open on the number 1 cylinder, adjust the number 1 intake valve. Loosen the adjusting nut slightly until lash can be felt in the rocker arm. While spinning the pushrod with your fingers tighten the adjusting nut—when a slight resistance is felt the valve is at zero lash, or the point where all the slack is removed. Turn the adjusting nut an additional 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn past this point (depending on the cam manufacturer’s specs) to achieve optimal preload on the lifter. Follow this procedure to adjust each intake valve according to the firing order.
To adjust the exhaust valves a similar procedure is used. Turn the engine over until the intake pushrod moves all the way up. Rotate just past maximum lift, where the intake will begin to close. The lifter is now at the base circle, and the exhaust valve can be adjusted. Do not go too far down (over halfway) past the point of maximum lift. If you go too far, you will be in the overlap cycle—where intake valve lash is being taken up as the exhaust valve begins to open. Then follow the same steps of spinning the pushrods and tightening the adjustment nuts. I call BS on that second part. After the end of the intake cycle comes the compression and power cycles. Overlap is after the exhaust cycle. I take the intake to near closed and adjust the exhaust. This produces repeatable results. If you don't adjust at the same crank position every time the loading of the valve springs will cause the numbers to change making for more work as they'll all seem off a little. The hard part about hydraulics is that lifters can bleed down varying amounts, totally screwing with your 'feel' when you try to find zero lash. I've never had an adjustable hydraulic but have seen some near catastrophic results from others who didn't get it right.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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I really hate this. These instructions begin by assuming that the reader has no grasp of the 4-stroke cycle or a V8 firing order. Simple directions: set both valves when that piston is @ TDC ignition. Do the next cylinder. Anything else is needless complicated - saves a minute at the expensive of bending something. If you do not understand this, you should pay someone to do it for you. If you do, it's as useful as telling you to open your fly before taking a piss.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Last edited by Cab_Burge; 09/08/17 01:49 AM.
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Re: Setting Tension on Roller Rockers
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Here's what I found on the web. Is it correct?
When the exhaust valve just begins to open on the number 1 cylinder, adjust the number 1 intake valve. Loosen the adjusting nut slightly until lash can be felt in the rocker arm. While spinning the pushrod with your fingers tighten the adjusting nut—when a slight resistance is felt the valve is at zero lash, or the point where all the slack is removed. Turn the adjusting nut an additional 1/4 to 3/4 of a turn past this point (depending on the cam manufacturer’s specs) to achieve optimal preload on the lifter. Follow this procedure to adjust each intake valve according to the firing order.
To adjust the exhaust valves a similar procedure is used. Turn the engine over until the intake pushrod moves all the way up. Rotate just past maximum lift, where the intake will begin to close. The lifter is now at the base circle, and the exhaust valve can be adjusted. Do not go too far down (over halfway) past the point of maximum lift. If you go too far, you will be in the overlap cycle—where intake valve lash is being taken up as the exhaust valve begins to open. Then follow the same steps of spinning the pushrods and tightening the adjustment nuts. I call BS on that second part. After the end of the intake cycle comes the compression and power cycles. Overlap is after the exhaust cycle. I take the intake to near closed and adjust the exhaust. This produces repeatable results. If you don't adjust at the same crank position every time the loading of the valve springs will cause the numbers to change making for more work as they'll all seem off a little. The hard part about hydraulics is that lifters can bleed down varying amounts, totally screwing with your 'feel' when you try to find zero lash. I've never had an adjustable hydraulic but have seen some near catastrophic results from others who didn't get it right. I agree as you are right. I also adjust the exh valve right when the intake is closed as the power stroke is next and its not in overlap then. Like you said the overlap is when the exh valve is shutting and the intake starts to open. Ron
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