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Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Brewzer67] #2363887 09/02/17 02:37 AM 09/02/17 02:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia	Originally Posted By Brewzer67 If it's any help I am running the 270's and had them ported by Larry Smith at flow2tech. They flowed 278@.700 on his bench and 284 on my local builders bench. The same bench flowed my 240's at a smidge under trick flows rated flow (330@.700 I think it was). I can't speak to how well they perform yet as I am still dialing in the tune and haven't had them to the track yet. I can attest to the quality of the manufacturing though. And I can also say that the quality of customer service from trick flow is head and shoulders above what you will ever get from Indy. They were cool enough to swap out my 240's for the 270's 6 months after I had purchased the 240's and didn't even charge me a restocking fee despite the fact I had purchased them through a different distributor. Pretty solid customer service if you ask me. Am i reading this right ? 278@.700 on the 270 . Less than TF240. Or wrong number ? At least no need for offset rockers with the TF270 Tex Last edited by tex013; 09/02/17 02:38 AM. New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2363901 09/02/17 03:48 AM 09/02/17 03:48 AM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,152 Bend,OR USA	do you want the customer to hate you because the motor you put together doesn't run good, including back firing through the carbs. killing the motor due to reversion in the intake to head transition Do NOT do that Unless you buy one of the A&A 440 motor look alike cross ram intakes for the stock 440 headed motors Last edited by Cab_Burge; 09/02/17 03:50 AM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2364027 09/02/17 01:26 PM 09/02/17 01:26 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,017 Oregon	Originally Posted By Tom Fox well can a source stealth head be opened up to work with a max intake ? This question tells me that you don't have much experience with these parts. If that is the case then you either need to find someone you trust to help you out or just start by trying to bolt some things together so you can figure out how they go together. You're questions are all over the map which is why you are getting replies that are all over the map. The answers you get on Moparts will be very confusing for someone who doesn't already have a really good understanding of how the engines go together. For example, the EZ head and the TF 270 head use extended intake ports. The other heads you are asking about such as Stealth heads do not have extended intake ports. So you are not comparing apples to apples.

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2364032 09/02/17 01:34 PM 09/02/17 01:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt.	One of best of the "down and dirty" ways for a budget friendly mw x-ram install is to use the stealth heads opened to mw size. 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2364130 09/02/17 04:18 PM 09/02/17 04:18 PM
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Tom Fox OP member T Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 146 florida/ Georgia	Thanks fast68, that's what I needed to see, & will do.and yes I have never been around a Max Wedge Engine before to know the exact head requirements.Tom Originally Posted By fast68plymouth One of best of the "down and dirty" ways for a budget friendly mw x-ram install is to use the stealth heads opened to mw size.

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2364173 09/02/17 06:23 PM 09/02/17 06:23 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	FAST... I have a question for ya...why take so much off the bottom of the port... on my SB stuff I tend to move the port up and it flows very well

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2364180 09/02/17 06:40 PM 09/02/17 06:40 PM
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fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt.	That's where the ports are oriented on a stock mw head......... To make it so the stock manifold lines up with the head..... I just match it to stock. If you overlay the mw gasket on top of the std gasket and line up the bolt holes you'll see that the mw port opening extends above and below the std port opening. Same gasket on a factory mw head: 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2364227 09/02/17 09:11 PM 09/02/17 09:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt.	The Stealth head pictured above, after also being treated to a more flow friendly valve job, back cut valves, and the bowls blended........ Flowed 288@.550 lift, which is way more than an unmodified OE mw head. 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2364294 09/02/17 11:24 PM 09/02/17 11:24 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction @ @#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk!
@#$%&*! New user name, Same old jerk! @ Joined: May 2008 Posts: 1,131 Thigh-Gap Junction	Chrysler sold lots of 318ci engines with 360 4-bbl intake manifolds that didn't match. They seemed to run well.

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: @#$%&*!] #2364331 09/03/17 12:33 AM 09/03/17 12:33 AM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,152 Bend,OR USA	Some of the late 1970s up to the late 1980 Hi Po 318(if you can call them that) had the 360 heads, intakes and carbs. Why Ma Mopar did that along with selling the Hi Po 360 at the same time is anybody guess Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: tex013] #2364878 09/03/17 11:07 PM 09/03/17 11:07 PM
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Brewzer67 member B Joined: May 2017 Posts: 72 WI	Sorry, that's a typo. It should be 378 and 384. That would suck if I paid for all that porting only to have less flow!

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Brewzer67] #2364958 09/04/17 01:22 AM 09/04/17 01:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia	Originally Posted By Brewzer67 Sorry, that's a typo. It should be 378 and 384. That would suck if I paid for all that porting only to have less flow! Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2365950 09/05/17 06:50 PM 09/05/17 06:50 PM
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srunge55 mopar S Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 487 St Louis, MO, USA	I'm pretty confused about the TF 270 heads on a low deck. After reading Andy's article my understanding is the 270's made about 700 HP with the stock Indy Low Deck intake (400-3) and more power with a ported standard port intake (750 HP). This is a small difference over the TF 240s. I'm now questioning my plans to use the 270 heads and anxiously waiting for Andy to test the ported 400-3 intake (per the article). Andy are you still planning to retest the 400-3 after Wilson ports it? Thanks, Steve

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2365956 09/05/17 06:59 PM 09/05/17 06:59 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,017 Oregon	Yes, I'll re-run the 470 engine with the TF 270 heads once I get a new oil pump. I've been waiting a couple of months for a new pump. I have the intake back from Wilson and it looks great. I think the 270 heads will be worth about 50 hp on my engine over the 240 heads. The trick is that you need a really good intake manifold to get the heads to work.

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2365971 09/05/17 07:34 PM 09/05/17 07:34 PM
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tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia	Originally Posted By fast68plymouth That's where the ports are oriented on a stock mw head......... To make it so the stock manifold lines up with the head..... I just match it to stock. If you overlay the mw gasket on top of the std gasket and line up the bolt holes you'll see that the mw port opening extends above and below the std port opening. Same gasket on a factory mw head: Dwayne , in seeing this would it be practical to use a max wedge gasket on the source cnc heads . I use Felpro 1216 gasket and have to open them up to suit , I even had to open the pan up . I know height will be off . Or have you used Indy gasket 400- G1-210 from Hughes ? I cut to at least 2.35 x 1.25 and may need a little more . Sorry for the highjack . Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2366100 09/05/17 10:55 PM 09/05/17 10:55 PM
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fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt.	Tex, the "if it were me" answer is, I would open up a valley pan gasket to the size I needed, and I'd reuse it as many times as I could. I would just keep replacing the paper gaskets after manifold R&R. Andy's bat wing system might be easier to rework for your application. Hughes has their own gaskets that are made to be opened up to facilitate ports in between std and mw size. 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: fast68plymouth] #2366161 09/06/17 12:22 AM 09/06/17 12:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia	Originally Posted By fast68plymouth Tex, the "if it were me" answer is, I would open up a valley pan gasket to the size I needed, and I'd reuse it as many times as I could. I would just keep replacing the paper gaskets after manifold R&R. Andy's bat wing system might be easier to rework for your application. Hughes has their own gaskets that are made to be opened up to facilitate ports in between std and mw size. thanks Dwayne Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2366367 09/06/17 01:15 PM 09/06/17 01:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,494 So. Burlington, Vt.	The issue you're having is why I like to leave std port openings actually "std" size on heads without raised runners(heads that will use the valley pan gasket). It's also another reason I prefer to use raised runner heads if possible....... Just to get away from the valley pan gasket!! 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: Tom Fox] #2366576 09/06/17 07:31 PM 09/06/17 07:31 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,017 Oregon	Batwings to the rescue! That is the whole reason I developed the batwing concept. It allows you to fiddle around with the side gaskets but still have a nice solid area to seal to the valley plate. But it is a lot more expensive and it adds some hassle factor to the engine build.

Re: Max Wedge EZ or TF 270 ? [Re: AndyF] #2366578 09/06/17 07:36 PM 09/06/17 07:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia tex013 top fuel
tex013 top fuel Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,461 Sydney,Australia	Originally Posted By AndyF Batwings to the rescue! That is the whole reason I developed the batwing concept. It allows you to fiddle around with the side gaskets but still have a nice solid area to seal to the valley plate. But it is a lot more expensive and it adds some hassle factor to the engine build. Thanks Andy , have looked at them and feel that will be where I go later this year . Try the expense from down here , exchange and freight . But I think may be best solution . I had a homemade plate but it did start to weep at head face . Or fit that modman up Tex New best ET 10.259@129.65 . New best MPH 130.32 Finally fitted a solid cam, stepped it up a bit more 3690lbs through the mufflers New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm Power by Tex's Automotive

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