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Re: small block oiling question
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Yes, block off the oil to the lifters. Make sure all the main feeds are 9/32.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: small block oiling question
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I like to bush the block.. beats the old tube and ream route.. then as said.. 9/32.. also drill the bushing for oiling 
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Re: small block oiling question
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mostly street driven. 7000 max. picked everything up as a package and the whole rotating assembly is already balanced. i would have chosen different rods as well but it was too good of a deal to pass up. You can go the cheap route if you want to drill and push in the tubes on the pass side then block of the very front on the drivers side(I'm talking the oil galleys) but is toy want you can read the small block book on this stuff.. I still run a block that has the tubes but its roller stuff EDIT For 7000 rpm... keep it stock.. I was turning 8500 rpm
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Re: small block oiling question
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thanks for all of the input so far guys. i think i'll leave that part stock from your input so far. any other oiling mods? i've ported the 90 degree adapter, more like smoothed it out, massaged the inlet to the block there too, and massaged the port on the main cap. the rockers are the ductile iron ones for w-2 heads.
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Re: small block oiling question
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I like the blueprinted Precision oil pumps. Not much more than a stock one, and they do nice work on it. Also like the billet oil pump drive gear they sell.
I like the piece of mind a stock melling pump is taken apart, deburred, coated gears, radiused for flow and put back together with perfect clearances.
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Re: small block oiling question
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I run a SFT and if the lifter bores aren't bushed, I tube all of them. There is more oil leaking past the lifters than you think.
It's actually pretty easy to do the tubing one you have the reamer. I've even done them by hand.
To block the drivers side lifter oil I just tap the main feed hole just above the main bearing and screw a set screw in there.
For the small investment in time and tooling it's worth it to me to block off the lifters.
You can get the copper tubing and reamer from MSC.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: small block oiling question
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Are you still up in the great white north... I have the ream and stuff IF you wanted to go that way that I can send you if you pay the shipping... either way still do the main holes with the 9/32 drill but.. thats about all you need to do
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Re: small block oiling question
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thanks for all of the input so far guys. i think i'll leave that part stock from your input so far. any other oiling mods? i've ported the 90 degree adapter, more like smoothed it out, massaged the inlet to the block there too, and massaged the port on the main cap. the rockers are the ductile iron ones for w-2 heads. Also... which W-2 heads do you have.. there are a few versions.. the race ones have a milled flat rocker stand that needs stands.. I have a couple sets of the econo versions... long and a short valve version that dont need the stands.. the long valves are on my 416 right now in my street rod
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Re: small block oiling question
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Plenty of things you CAN do. Every little bit helps. Bush the lifter bores. Block the left galley (yes, even with the lifters bushed). Plumb oil to the main galley into both ends. Take the head oiling away from the cam bearings. Restrict oil to the cam bearings and the heads. Hand fit the pump to the main cap. Enlarge pickup to reduce restriction. Relieve/enlarge all oil passages.
The object of the exercise is to get maximum constant oil onto the crank and rods and minimize the amount of oil being sprayed around doing little or nothing. Most of this only requires time, some hardware and information.
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Re: small block oiling question
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Are you still up in the great white north... I have the ream and stuff IF you wanted to go that way that I can send you if you pay the shipping... either way still do the main holes with the 9/32 drill but.. thats about all you need to do yep.. still here in Alaska. thank you for the generous offer. i will do the mains at 9/32 for sure.
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Re: small block oiling question
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thanks for all of the input so far guys. i think i'll leave that part stock from your input so far. any other oiling mods? i've ported the 90 degree adapter, more like smoothed it out, massaged the inlet to the block there too, and massaged the port on the main cap. the rockers are the ductile iron ones for w-2 heads. Also... which W-2 heads do you have.. there are a few versions.. the race ones have a milled flat rocker stand that needs stands.. I have a couple sets of the econo versions... long and a short valve version that dont need the stands.. the long valves are on my 416 right now in my street rod they are the ones with the milled flat rocker stand type.
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Re: small block oiling question
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08/07/17 10:20 PM
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I would never tube a block again. I don't know what kind of machinery you have available there but doing that by hand is a PITA. Worse yet is peening that tube never seems to work out well, the lifters do not move freely and with a flat tappet cam that is essential. If you really want to block the oil then bushing the lifter bores is the way to go.
Now having said that, it's a waste of money for what you have and are doing. I would block the oil to the drivers side galley though with a set screw.
Your best money would be spent on the oil pan and pickup. A 5/8 suction tube feeding the pump will do more than any other mods. You can also have the cam journals grooved to supply full time oil to the rockers.
I have a write up over on forabodiesonly.com in the small block engine section with some photos. I haven't been there in years but the thread is still a sticky.
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Re: small block oiling question
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yes read Guitar Jones oiling writeup and Sanborns' oil writeup at www.moparchat.com then scroll down to & click on "circle track chat" & it too is in a sticky. ALL the info you will ever need & decide how much is needed for your app.
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Re: small block oiling question
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I would never tube a block again. I don't know what kind of machinery you have available there but doing that by hand is a PITA. Worse yet is peening that tube never seems to work out well, the lifters do not move freely and with a flat tappet cam that is essential. If you really want to block the oil then bushing the lifter bores is the way to go.
Now having said that, it's a waste of money for what you have and are doing. I would block the oil to the drivers side galley though with a set screw.
Your best money would be spent on the oil pan and pickup. A 5/8 suction tube feeding the pump will do more than any other mods. You can also have the cam journals grooved to supply full time oil to the rockers.
I have a write up over on forabodiesonly.com in the small block engine section with some photos. I haven't been there in years but the thread is still a sticky. You just peen the tube over and hit it with a paper roll. Takes 5 minutes. It's easier to do by hand if you drill it first then ream to size. Like I said, it's easy enough to do by hand. And getting the inlet as big as you can in important. 1 inch isn't too big.
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: small block oiling question
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I would never tube a block again. I don't know what kind of machinery you have available there but doing that by hand is a PITA. Worse yet is peening that tube never seems to work out well, the lifters do not move freely and with a flat tappet cam that is essential. If you really want to block the oil then bushing the lifter bores is the way to go.
Now having said that, it's a waste of money for what you have and are doing. I would block the oil to the drivers side galley though with a set screw.
Your best money would be spent on the oil pan and pickup. A 5/8 suction tube feeding the pump will do more than any other mods. You can also have the cam journals grooved to supply full time oil to the rockers.
I have a write up over on forabodiesonly.com in the small block engine section with some photos. I haven't been there in years but the thread is still a sticky. You just peen the tube over and hit it with a paper roll. Takes 5 minutes. It's easier to do by hand if you drill it first then ream to size. Like I said, it's easy enough to do by hand. And getting the inlet as big as you can in important. 1 inch isn't too big. I've done it 3 times. And it's always a PITA. Not what I would consider easy. Great if it works for you but I won't do it again.
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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon!
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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. It had seen 8000rpm trying to figure out what it liked but didn't want to short live the motor. To be fair, I highly regard many members here and Mr. P has given me valuable advice in the past. His, and many others, council has been very welcome. Good luck on yours!