Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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07/19/17 04:49 PM
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fullmetaljacket
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My 2 sense in something I am not involved with, but would like to comment. On the investors side of the fence: It does take time, engineering, planning, $$$ good PR packaging and a common business sense to get things off the ground right from the start as in making blocks with no known name or history to them.
KB was a name synonymous with great products and performance so it was a given to latch onto that legacy and their block/design casting jigs.
Now, on the side of those who are owed: In this case, the investors have what seems to be good intentions, but while being tethered to a now infamous name that has dug quite a few holes for itself. Lots of dirty laundry has to pass the wash cycle before it smells of clean and dry and the investors should know this going into this hot kitchen. That being said, I would clean up the messy dishes with good durable and perfectly machined blocks first and foremost delivered to those who are owed. Only then will the wash cycle water come clean and only then will the Hemi and Wedge guru's be there on line to make good examples of the new blocks for current and future clients.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: fullmetaljacket]
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07/19/17 06:11 PM
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There is more going on behind the scenes at Keith Black Racing than we will ever know. First of all issues were dating back 5 plus years as far as foundry issues, pollution laws, being located in California, loss of trained personal, and who knows what else. Just hiring workers today to do some of these "dirty jobs" would make you scratch your head. Some of the Millwrights that applied were I worked couldn't even light a dam torch let along burn something with it. And that was after 50% failed drug tests.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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07/19/17 09:41 PM
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Cab_Burge
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A little more insight about some of the potential problems with the KB blocks, Buddy Bar foundry(use to be Alcoa aluminum foundry in the heyday of Aerospace) use to cast KB blocks, they may be out of business now due to the CA enviormental laws. I called and talk to Ken Black several years ago about the issues raised on this site and he told me that he had lost his vendor on the block castings and the cores casting for the blocks, he was having quality control issues on the castings cores ruining the blocks castings enough to make them unusable. Hopefully both of those issues are resolved now
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: copchaser]
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07/19/17 10:52 PM
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kwikblownhemi
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Yes I truly believe there are 2 or three members on here who have recieved blocks. I'm even more convinced that those 2 or 3 memebrs are the guys who have invested money into this scam. I can't and won't speak to what I don't know. What I will tell you is that this member only invested the cost of the block in "this scam." I do hope your situation is resolved properly and promptly. I have no means or information that can help. If I did I would.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: sasquatch]
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07/27/17 01:41 AM
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SomeCarGuy
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Darren will be releasing a public statement here and other forums in the very near future. That is all I am saying on this publicly for now. Good day. Todd It's been a week since this was posted. I don't care how busy anybody thinks they are. You're not that busy people. Time to take ownership of this blemished calf.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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07/27/17 08:34 PM
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Twostick
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I'm kinda surprised anyone would get into a quagmire like this for less than controlling interest. Seems you are digging people out of a hole they dug and sullying your name with the aggrieved...for what exactly? Biz was dead in the water so should've been an easy negotiation. According to the announcement the new investors have a combined 60% stake in the company, the Blacks have 40%. • Who are the new owners of Keith Black Racing Engines?
Mrs Jane Black, (the wife of the late Keith Black), and his son Ken, have sold their business into a new corporation in exchange for a 40% interest. Incoming owners are Darren Beale, Tim Banning, and Victor Bray, together have a combined 60% ownership.
Still lots of potential for trouble tho with no one holding 51%. Kevin
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: The Shadow]
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07/28/17 12:59 AM
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I was able to see a KB block next to an Indy block.The KB is worth every penny more than the INdy!!!!
Last edited by hemi-itis; 07/28/17 01:01 AM.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: Porter67]
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07/28/17 10:18 AM
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Last year Jegs was practically giving away LS blocks for $250! How much for a GenIII Hemi? Is it because demand is that much lower for Chrysler products, or is it because they know we'll pay? I can't speak for all Mopar enthusiasts under 30 yrs old, but I personally don't have a problem with adding a motor plate and an LSX/PowerGlide into my Coronet.
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Re: Keith Black blocks are flowing
[Re: A39Coronet]
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07/30/17 07:23 PM
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Roughbird72
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It is demand, go to any track or car show and look at the ratio of GMs to Mopars. If a company was able to sell 1 Mopar block for every 10 GM blocks they made, it would probably be cost effective for regular production. It's high risk to manufacture anything that's going to take a long time for ROI.
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