Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! #2341991
07/23/17 03:22 PM
07/23/17 03:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
I received a Quick Fuel/Proform main body recently that was purchased under a Proform part #. Close inspection revealed that 2 of the 4 annular boosters were not installed correctly with respect to being perpendicular to their respective venturi, and 3 of the 4 weren't installed tightly enough to keep me from turning them with my fingers.

I, also, recently acquired a nice home-made annular booster installation tool. So, in my case I was able to drip some Loctite 290 into the venturi sides of all 4 boosters and tighten their swedging to resolve the issue.

This is simply another reminder not to assume that just because a part is new in the box that it's "right" and ready to use.

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342005
07/23/17 04:04 PM
07/23/17 04:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,621
Fulton County, PA
C
CMcAllister Offline
Mr. Helpful
CMcAllister  Offline
Mr. Helpful
C

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 11,621
Fulton County, PA
Everything needs inspected these days. Except for the top shelf or custom places, QC has become pee poor in the race to the bottom of the price point.


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342011
07/23/17 04:16 PM
07/23/17 04:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
F
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here
fast68plymouth  Offline
I Live Here
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
Brad....do you still have one of the BG main bodies with replaceable boosters?

It would be interesting to see if there is any power difference in the two different shaped air entries.


68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: fast68plymouth] #2342120
07/23/17 08:32 PM
07/23/17 08:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
How about...
BG RS 1.425 vs QFT/Proform 1.45
BG GC 1.500 vs QFT/Proform 1.52
... all downleg boosters?

Yeah, I can arrange that.

Not sure at the moment what the big venturi annular 4150 options will be.

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342157
07/23/17 10:06 PM
07/23/17 10:06 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
Man made and mass produced so ya, check everything and some of you guys have seen my findings on FB w/a few different brands of carb stuff and no different than heads, cams rockers gears etc. ANYTHING we purchase needs the fine tooth comb approach and good for you Brad on finding and fixing the problems although you shouldn't have to.......... thumbs

Last edited by Thumperdart; 07/23/17 10:06 PM.

72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342267
07/24/17 01:59 AM
07/24/17 01:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,807
Mopar Country, Mi
ccdave Offline
The Ultimate
ccdave  Offline
The Ultimate

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,807
Mopar Country, Mi
Yep,

Been there done that down

I went to there warehouse in Metro Detroit and went throuh 4- 950 main bodies till I found one that was decent. The zink main bodies were great, the aluminum, not so great on the QC down

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342374
07/24/17 12:36 PM
07/24/17 12:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
F
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here
fast68plymouth  Offline
I Live Here
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
Brad, what size is the annular body you bought?

I suppose one way to (hopefully) avoid such qc issues with a carb body, if someone were looking to do some experimentation, would be to buy one that's been "done" buy a carb shop.

Several years ago I bought a couple of bare(and when they say "bare" they mean it) genuine Holley HP bodies to build up into carbs....... A 950 and a 1000.
I built up the 950....... Works "okay".
Never got around to doing the 1000...... Although I have all the pieces to do it.


68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2342710
07/24/17 09:24 PM
07/24/17 09:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942
Metro Detroit
OUTLAWD Offline
top fuel
OUTLAWD  Offline
top fuel

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,942
Metro Detroit
My billet QF metering blocks were full of shavings and some threads were stripped... My zinc plated Proform main body that I got ~15 years ago was great


Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...

71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts
66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2343042
07/25/17 01:48 PM
07/25/17 01:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
F
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here
fast68plymouth  Offline
I Live Here
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
I bought a few of those original ProForm zinc bodies..... Like 12 years ago or so.

Mine had a pretty noticeable lip/step in the Venturi where the upper and lower halves of the mold met.

I also didn't care for the way the booster feed area was finished off.
The Holley boosters have a nice radiused entry into the booster, whereas the PT body had a sharp squared off entry.
I never did any before/after tests to see if that really matters or not....... I just put a radius on them to basically mimic how they come from Holley before I put them into service.

I built a few new carbs from scratch out of them....... And they worked pretty well.

I also built a new carb out of the Holley HP replacement body a couple of years ago, QFT blocks and billet baseplate, aluminum bowls, etc........ Still haven't tried it on anything yet.


68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: fast68plymouth] #2343079
07/25/17 02:38 PM
07/25/17 02:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
Oh, here's the "fixed" main body, the annular booster installation tool I picked up, and my "custom" booster alignment tool... a big punch wrapped in foam & masking tape to keep from scratching the boosters when I'm working them back-n-forth to get them right. hammer

QFT-Proform 67218_annular_booster_tool_sm.jpg
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2343091
07/25/17 03:10 PM
07/25/17 03:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
F
fast68plymouth Offline
I Live Here
fast68plymouth  Offline
I Live Here
F

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 14,506
So. Burlington, Vt.
Brad, how are the booster feed entries finished on that body?
Radiused or squared off?


68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: fast68plymouth] #2343261
07/25/17 08:54 PM
07/25/17 08:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
Originally Posted By fast68plymouth
Brad, how are the booster feed entries finished on that body?
Radiused or squared off?

Not squared off (I've seem some of those before, especially w/ the last of the BG sh!t), but not a nice radius like Holleys (used to?) come with. It looks more like a wedge-shaped tool was used to flare out the end, but not as steep as the angle on the tool I picked up.

When I was done tightening 'em up, my tool left another angle on the outside of the booster swedging... kind of like the top cut on a valve job.

If boosters don't look like they have a nice transition at the swedging (is that even a word?), I'll do my own sawzall or hammer work to improve the entries.

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2343266
07/25/17 09:06 PM
07/25/17 09:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
Hmmm... a main body without any boosters. What to do, what to do... work

Holley 80804 main body_no boosters_sm.jpg
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2343270
07/25/17 09:12 PM
07/25/17 09:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,866
Pattison Texas
CSK Offline
master
CSK  Offline
master

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,866
Pattison Texas
after your post I checked mine, looks like the same one you bought, 2 loose AN boosters, I just put this carb together about 2 months ago, Thanks Brad for reminding us to check even the simple things.


1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: CSK] #2343761
07/26/17 04:35 PM
07/26/17 04:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
I hear ya'. Even though they don't feel loose, last night I put Loctite 290 on the venturi-side of the boosters in my QFT/Proform 1.45 to be on the safe side. I don't need to worry about the ones in my QFT/Proform 1.52 'cuz they were installed by a carb builder in Florida and I KNOW he used Loctite.

This kind of stuff is enough to make you lose your mind on occasion. realcrazy

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2344042
07/27/17 01:39 AM
07/27/17 01:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 304
Florida
M
Mark Whitener Offline
enthusiast
Mark Whitener  Offline
enthusiast
M

Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 304
Florida
Green Loctite!


Mark Whitener
[url=www.racingfuelsystems.com[/url]
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: BradH] #2344141
07/27/17 10:35 AM
07/27/17 10:35 AM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,097
back in Georgia
dthemi Offline
master
dthemi  Offline
master

Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,097
back in Georgia
Everyone, in every business, and on the road, is lost in social media, and the magic phone of security, and happiness. Quality of work, or even attention to it are very, very low priorities now. The payment for sub par work is the only priority close to precious companion phone. Because without constant, and ever increasing funds, the precious, and all it's magical powers will be lost.

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: dthemi] #2344144
07/27/17 10:42 AM
07/27/17 10:42 AM
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,492
north of coder
moparx Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"
moparx  Offline
"Butt Crack Bob"

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 19,492
north of coder
Originally Posted By dthemi
Everyone, in every business, and on the road, is lost in social media, and the magic phone of security, and happiness. Quality of work, or even attention to it are very, very low priorities now. The payment for sub par work is the only priority close to precious companion phone. Because without constant, and ever increasing funds, the precious, and all it's magical powers will be lost.

now THAT might be the closest explanation yet !
beer

Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: dthemi] #2344297
07/27/17 01:32 PM
07/27/17 01:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
Originally Posted By dthemi
Everyone, in every business, and on the road, is lost in social media, and the magic phone of security, and happiness. Quality of work, or even attention to it are very, very low priorities now. The payment for sub par work is the only priority close to precious companion phone. Because without constant, and ever increasing funds, the precious, and all it's magical powers will be lost.


EVERYONE is a BIG word and I promise you I nor most of the good people I deal w/do not fall in this category..........but I get it and no monkey see monkey do in my world cos $$$ is the gift for GOOD work and greed is unfortunately all around along w/poor quality...........


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: Aftermarket Carb Main Bodies - Inspect Closely! [Re: Mark Whitener] #2344848
07/28/17 02:48 PM
07/28/17 02:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline OP
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
Originally Posted By Mark Whitener
Green Loctite!

And speaking of the person who installed the BLP boosters in my QFT/Proform 1.52 main body... haha

Oh, in case anyone was confused, the original Loctite 290 is the "green" Loctite, although IIRC they have come out with some other 290 variants. Mine is definitely the "green" stuff.

Page 1 of 2 1 2






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1