So you expect everyone to work for nothing, or worse yet, pay to work until the back orders are filled?

Look, when they bought into a company knowing people were defrauded, knowing it was going to take alot of cash to make it work, to make things right, knowing the people owed were not just going to lay down, (I loaned my one friend 3k, he was short so he could pay for the block he never received) maybe they made a foolish business move going into this.

The people owed blocks need to be made whole, plain and simple.

I know business, well enough to be retired at 49 and I know this whole mess is not the way its done.

If I could buy a KB block today for $1, id spit on it and walk away.

Just out of curiosity AL out of the approx 50 blocks owing how many people do you know that are owed blocks?
Of those blocks how many are custom deals,decks ,bores ,cam bearing/placement?
Maybe you could see where I'm going with this?
The best thing to happen in the mopar world in along time and you want to boycott?
Here is my opinion
Some hate to see others do well no matter what.
Call it lack of PR , call it no business integrity or what may you but I call it a chance to rain on another's parade.
Truth be known you and some others really would like to see it fail for some twisted reason

Truth be known you and some others really would like to see it fail for some twisted reason.

Its not a twisted reason, paid customers have gotten a back seat, crapped on and really some people need to be put out, strained financially, stressed until the people owed are made whole. THATS PART OF BUSINESS.

Two to be exact. One a personal friend who has not heard a peep on a block paid in full. He has since taken it up with his credit card company to get his money back from what he tells me. The second is a guy who is an acquaintance that I sold my last Mega Block to as to help the guy out. Have not spoken to him in a few weeks so not sure if he has been contacted at all. I have no reason to doubt their word at all.

I have no desire to see them fail or go away. I have stated such in this thread. I have two of their blocks as well as an Indy and World aluminum block. No doubt the KB is the best of the three. But we went with Indy and World at the time because we could get them. My opinion is it just could have been handled better from a PR point. Then things like reactions in this thread would likely not exist. Just my .02

we have 2 blocks here were I work , one had a deposit and was ordered last year and the other is recently purchased block...for the record one person won't post on this forum thinks most of you are elitist a-holes and the other just recently found out about it....both former BBC street racers.
I don't know much about the history of what KB is going thru as a company. As some one who has had to deal with many of companies folding and being owed money or product....I'm just grateful I can keep my doors open.

I will say they have done way better on their Facebook page showing progress and new blocks shipping to dealers. Apparently that is the place they wish to concentrate their marketing efforts. I also seem to recall talking to Todd they are concentrating on doing Hemi blocks for now, but don't quote me on that

And yet there are posts on this thread where people have been waiting years......


I highly doubt it will ever be public knowledge....... But I wonder what the number is for blocks that have either been paid in full, or have big deposits on them, that have yet to be delivered....... From the time before the new investors got involved.

In other words....... How deep is the hole?

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Sounds like they are working on. Just not to your satisfaction. Rome wasn't built in a day. And to fix a disaster like this will take some time.

Like I said, I'm out nothing. I don't put my money in a rat hole.

[quote=EV2Bird] So you expect everyone to work for nothing, or worse yet, pay to work until the back orders are filled?

Look, when they bought into a company knowing people were defrauded, knowing it was going to take alot of cash to make it work, to make things right, knowing the people owed were not just going to lay down, (I loaned my one friend 3k, he was short so he could pay for the block he never received) maybe they made a foolish business move going into this.

The people owed blocks need to be made whole, plain and simple.

I know business, well enough to be retired at 49 and I know this whole mess is not the way its done.

If I could buy a KB block today for $1, id spit on it and walk away.


Unless you are a professional racer, if you can't afford to take the loss, don't spend the money.

Can't count how many times I've been burned in this business. In a hobby, don't spend money you can't afford to lose. Certainly don't gamble with it.

Al
both of these blocks are Hemi's both guys changing things up for next season.
Fast 68,
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And yet there are posts on this thread where people have been waiting years......"

I feel for those people(been on both sides of situations like this)
but I know I've had to delay older orders for one reason or another and fill newer orders just to be able to sign the 14 paychecks I need to every week.

That's the strange part of the story. When I ordered mine i then got a spec sheet then we went went over the spec sheet and came up with and agreed upon build with final costs. At that time 1/2 of the cost was placed as a deposit and months later when it was finished I told them the shipping company and where I wanted to pick it up as I live out in the boonies. At that time final payment was made and my block went out the door. How did these guys end up so much out of money? Did they pay for the total cost BEFORE the work was started??? If so that isn't a good move whether its a roof on your house or a block being made for your car. Johnny doesn't play that game.

The whole problem is there is over 80 blocks owed from what I was told, many paid half and many paid in full. I am one of the paid in full guys. Call me dumb or what ever your keyboard types. I went thru a [censored] divorce and paid in full so the ex wife would not get the money I saved for the block. It has been about 2 years now and I have still never have gotten a phone call once about my block unless I made the call. Communication is the key to a good business. Just make phone calls it is really not that hard. We all understand they have to make money. So Shadow please share this with Tim instead of bashing everyone that is mad. Ken made the mess and is still part of it. We just want some integrity in the matter.

Based on the numerous threads through the years regarding the KB block saga...... I always got the impression that promises were made and stories were told.

Isn't that how most cons work?

I had my name on Bill Mitchell waiting list for a Compact Graphite Iron wedge race block when he was selling the Mopar wedge and hemi World Products cast grey iron blocks, that was for over two and half years and they didn't get enough orders to start the production line on those blocks so they pulled the plug on that project
My point is many good intentions projects don't always produce fruit
Hopefully this new deal will end well for every one

I was going to build my car with a KB Hemi and a Passon 5 speed but decided I'm 45 years old and would like to enjoy my car before I'm 80.

Ok
How about everyone take a breath please.
First. Thank everyone who stopped by to see me at Carlisle. Hope everyone had a good time and a safe trip home.
I have said before but will say again. ANYONE who put down deposit money at any time and have not heard anything from KB at this time, please call me at 336-283-0800 and I will find out what the deal is. Period.
I am tired as I just drove 9 hours from Carlisle so I am not going to say much more on this for awhile. If people would like some more information the phone is on and your email will get answered.
Todd

This is how it works. You call the number, talk to a really nice guy. Spec out a block, place the order. Give a 50% deposit, get told 3 months and you'll have it. 3 months go by, call and check. Told foundry is behind. 3 more months go by, call and check, it's being machined. 3 more months, machining issues. 3 more months, block is ready! Pay the balance. After a month and the block hasn't arived, call again. Told the main studs had a recall. Ok, then it was a sleeve issue. Got pictures of block, serial numbe of block, etc. Even had a friends son who's in school stop by and he verified the block. Time marches on, no block, more stories. Finally the nice guy in charge comes clean on a phone call. Block just needs sleeves, business is on a cash only ticket (COD). Waiting on money to purchase sleeves. Ok, not happy, but do understand. 40% of the company sells to investors with needed cash. Promised by the new people in change that the block would ship within a week. More time goes by, no block. Call the people in charge again, get told they decided to scrap the block, claiming there having issues with the foundry on all new castings. I understand foundry issues on new castings, but my block was casted over 3 years ago. Now the people in charge are dodging the phone. At least I had Ken Blacks personal cell number. Now, I can't say who the little birdie is, but trust me the birdie is very credible. My block got shipped, not to me but to a very high profile hemi builder who has a few bucks invested for his dirrect customer usage. Yes I truly believe there are 2 or three members on here who have recieved blocks. I'm even more convinced that those 2 or 3 memebrs are the guys who have invested money into this scam.

If I was one of the new investors, at this point I'd be wishing I'd just waited for the bankruptcy auction.

Kevin

I met Todd. I looked at the block. It's nice work. Hopefully they can get cranking them out fast enough to get you guys who paid and deserve a block taken care of, and the new customers bringing in the cash flow at the same time. They are a very nice piece. Todd is very very sincere on this block issue. You guys WILL get them. I wouldn't want to be in either situation.

I would be curious as to how many blocks are on back order, I hope that everyone gets what they've ordered. I'd agree with Al, that perhaps the transition could have been done with more transparency. However, guys like Todd are doing their best to keep their customers happy. I can certainly understand many of the posts of frustration, being in the hole $6K and still waiting years later would upset the calmest of people.
I suspect the new investors may not have realized how big a mess they were inheriting.
I hope it has a positive outcome for all concerned