does any one know were i can get higher lift beehive valve springs 474 lift

you might check www.hughesengines.com

The GM 3100 V6 springs are a perfect match for a cam that size and you will not get a cheaper deal from an aftermarket company like comp crane lunati... also NO machining nescacary.

about the gm thing what kind of truck would it be in and what is the ci

Any impala or mini van with a 3.1 or 3.4 V6. Get the retainers and springs, less than $125 last time I got a set (they can't figure out why I always buy them in sets of 16).

thats what a 441 lift cam came out to be but i mite stick with the huesengins springs but there $10 and over for 1 i was just geting ideas

I'd definitely go the GM 3100 spring route then....

idk i like the behive springs there nice and light and as my sayin goes if it ant mopar it ant going on my mopar but u got a point about the chevy springs and i mite go that way i dont know yet

The Chevy springs are beehives.

depends on what you can get for IH. check out the "best of discussion. in my specific measurements, they coil bind at 1.065", so to get adequate safety factor, I'd add want lift + 1.120" (.055" above coil bind) for my install height. on the uncut mag heads I have that I tried them on, IIRC I got just a touch under 1.6", so if you add a valve job that sinks the valves ~ .030", then .5" lift should be OK.

thanks but im still not sold on this tho

what about the stock spring u think i can use that spring

I am using stock springs with .513 valve lift and has been running fine for 2 years.

the stock springs in my old '96 ram would float the valves slightly before 5000 RPM....

Stock springs and .513 lift

Mabey they "survive" because a flat tappet is so much lighter than a stock roller

I would be scared to rev it up to 6000 though

Not to thread jack but on the subject of stock Magnum springs I'm about to put a set onto an LA 318; but use a stock 360 cam, (nearly identical to a Comp 252, minus~0.015" lift) the stock (non E 58) 360 has a lift of .410 (with stock LA shaft rocker gear) with Magnum rocker gear (1.6 RR) I come up with about a 0.438" lift on that same cam. This is going into a 3/4 T. pickup with a 727 and 3.55 gearz; I doubt the motor will ever see over 4K RPM; stock Magnum beehive springs good enuf???

My IH came out perfect to stock Magnum spec, (1.64")just a shade over 1-5/8" with reground stock Magnum-head valves, in a set of EQ 318-B's. I "only" have 5 cracked OEM Magnum heads here to cherry pick the best valves out of so I didnt buy new valves for that new set of heads.
Gotta save money somewhere so I can have some left for the Project Car, right?

lift wise you should be fine. according to my dad's '97 ram FSM, the 318 mag cam is right around .450 lift.

here is a photo of the 94 gran am 3.1 spring.

10.99 at advance auto if these are the right ones.

in general what are the stock magnum springs good for?

I have a stock LA id love to swap mag heads on, but i also have a 270/470 comp cam id love to install in the future.

There needs to be a complete tech right up on lift, and flow of the stock heads as well as whats needed for the conversion.

Mopar Action has a great write on on Mag heads Vs chevy.

cheap magnum spring thread about gm 3100 springs

if you read through this, you'll find most of the pertinent info. with your current mag spring IH, you're probably right on the edge of allowable if you swapped to the GM springs (you'd be looking at probably .045" clearance to coil bind when calculating it out). stock mag springs are ~240lb/in with less than 80 lb seat pressure, the GM ones are ~330-365 lb/in with about 90-110lb seat pressure with what you'd probably probably see for an installed height, which I'm guessing would be ~1.61" or so.

Also considering the bad small block pushrod geometry he should have a bit more than the .045 to coil bind.

The dealer charged me $125 for my last set of 16 springs and 16 retainers. I don't remember the individual prices but that is quite a bit less than the $10 a piece, that would be over $160 just in springs plus you would still need retainers.

u think id need retainers

Hughes has springs that will work, under $6 each. A set of retainers is $62. Thats $154 for the set and the springs don't coil bind until ".620 of lift, much more most people will ever need.