Re: Dated plug wires- comparisons - NOS versus Reproduction
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02/28/09 02:58 PM
02/28/09 02:58 PM
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1_WILD_RT
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Reproductions are designed to fill a market void. And this is just MY opinion . But in my mind there will be - has to be something to differentiate the originals from reproductions. ( keep sellers honest imo) 2nd - With any reproduction there will be concessions made in regards to some of the smaller details. Think of the costs involved to either tool up for every single piece, or use currently avail smaller pieces. Lets be honest how many here would pay twice( maybe more, maybe less) the price to get an exact duplicate of an original set?
I'm happy with a nice set that looks the part within 90%. Personally,my cars are not garage art/trailer queens. Mine will be driven. So I'm not one of the crowd that needs $400 nos plug wires
Bill, in due respect,and not bashing-i dont buy that one bit. are you telling me to duplicate the plug and distributor boots will double the price of those wires, i dont think so, maybe add $20.00 to the set if that. why take the trouble of reproducing a part only to get it half right. just doesnt make sense. why are the battery cables and shaker bubble brackets,idle solenoids, wire harnesses, etc.so meticulously detailed correct. Dave at ECS goes the extra mile in order to make the correct decals, why cant the spark plug wire vender make is correct. you see almost every restored car out there with these wires on their cars, so its definitely not a quantity needed issue.
Think about it this way...So far all they had to do was print logos on a black 7mm wire & install boots that look pretty close... If the exact boots were still being produced they probably would be using them... So to take care of this detail that few really care about they would need to have molds made & do short runs of straight,135 degree, 90 degree plug boots, straight & 90 degree dist. boots, plus red dist boots & coil boots... Costs would go up...At that point how many that would have bought the $100.00 resto wires don't want to pay the extra costs therebe limiting the marketability causing the price to rise to try to recover the costs never mind about making s profit...
There are lots of substandard repo parts that I feel should be done right....At least for me, this isn't one of them... Sheet metal, trim, interior, lots of stuff but plug wires I'd rather have better performing p-arts rather than more correct parts....
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Re: Dated plug wires- comparisons - NOS versus Reproduction
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
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02/28/09 03:34 PM
02/28/09 03:34 PM
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i dont know about you but the 1st thing i look at in an engine bay is the correct air cleaner element and plug wires then i stsrt to look around like the wiper motor,coil markings and h bolts. im shocked a guy like roger gibson and frank badalson hasnt taken the wires to a new higher level of accuracy like they did on the battery wires. i think its a no brainer to make these correct. so you have to make a mold for 3 different angles for vthe boots. i dont see a real big problem there. i personally think FIRECORE could have the race cars,FAST and show cars all in his back pocket with a truly correct set of plug wires. with his quality wire and correct details it would be a homerun.
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Re: Dated plug wires- comparisons - NOS versus Reproduction
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03/01/09 10:41 AM
03/01/09 10:41 AM
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sixbbl69
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i dont know about you but the 1st thing i look at in an engine bay is the correct air cleaner element and plug wires then i stsrt to look around like the wiper motor,coil markings and h bolts. im shocked a guy like roger gibson and frank badalson hasnt taken the wires to a new higher level of accuracy like they did on the battery wires. i think its a no brainer to make these correct. so you have to make a mold for 3 different angles for vthe boots. i dont see a real big problem there. i personally think FIRECORE could have the race cars,FAST and show cars all in his back pocket with a truly correct set of plug wires. with his quality wire and correct details it would be a homerun.
I think the reason roger gibson and frank b don't get into this is the same reason they didn't get into the H-wheels. they know there is a market for this stuff but a very small market and they also know its not worth the effort or money to produce parts that only 10 guys like you would ever buy.they also know that 9 out of the 10 would be SHOCKED at the price and on moparts for 2 weeks like the Goodyear red line tires everyone just had to have. iam shocked that a guy like you with all your mopar knowledge and big money hasn't tooled up to produce all this stuff and corner the market?????????
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Re: Dated plug wires- comparisons - NOS versus Reproduction
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/01/09 02:32 PM
03/01/09 02:32 PM
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Regardless of the dia. the Firecore wires have a different sheen and overall look as compared to OEM wires, there's really no way you'd get them to look exact to OEMs regardles of boots or stampings. However, I'd still like to get some Firecores with the factory style stamping because even if not 100% correct, they'd look right to most onlookers keeping a generally correct the factory "look"
then you could have the stock/show looks AND better performance as well. Those Firecores are a great upgrade for Mopars and with the factory lettering they would be a home run !!
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Re: Dated plug wires- comparisons - NOS versus Reproduction
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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03/02/09 12:20 AM
03/02/09 12:20 AM
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I believe GM was the first to have 8mm wires. In the late 70's , early 80's. Delco I think. I willmake a call tomorrow to see about this "permission slip" neededfor the stamping. A problem that happens with quality race core when building sets, is that when you strip and fold it for the brass terminals to be terminated, about half the time, the core breaks. Guys what, now your lengths are off. Its a piece of cake building the HEI sets. We use stainless dual crimps.We crimp on the core and insulate. Ours is on the left. It sometimes takes 2 hours to get a single set of FactoryFit 8mm wires finished. Thats with automated terminal machines. The race core does not like to be bent. This is why we push the racewire, 8.5mm so much. Its a more-friendly assembly process using the HEI type termianals. To get exact boots made, I believe the minimum count is 10k units, not including the set-up costs for the molds. Thanks for the kind words , guys. It's just nice to build a racewire in 8mm, that would pass as a stock wire to most onlookers. Its tough to get into the exact duplication market , with all of the date code possibilities and print types. If we got it exact, there will always be the people who swear its all wrong. Here is our 8mm. It may look all wrong to some, but customers love the way they fit, and some swear their engines love them too. New orange Max Wedge and Hemi wires. We make sets in either solid core or suppression in 7mm.
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