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In car valve spring replacment. #2321259
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I need to swap out some springs on a small block duster and was curious as to an tips or tricks to doing so. Also What tool you you recommend for compressing the spring in the car? Thanks


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Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321264
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I used the Comp Cams spring tool, they offer it for SBM and BBM.


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Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321266
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You can put rope into the spark plug hole and crank the piston to TDC (by hand) to hold the valves in place.


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Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321276
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Yep, thats how I did mine, the rope trick.


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New daily driver-2003 Ram 2500 Cummins 5.9
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New project---1938 Dodge truck, plan is a 360 with a A500, AC, Calvert rear susp., rack and pinion front with coils.
Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321313
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Recently pulled all the springs on my BB to check install heights, open and closed pressures and for potential spring bind. Tried air, did not feel comfortable and cannot get air to all cylinders, tried rope, was ok but slow, then tried wrapping a Phillips screwdriver with electrical tape to prevent piston damage, shoving it into spark plug hole, turning engine by a socket on the dampener snout until piston came up to contact screwdriver and not go further. Worked great, could do two cylinders at a time, and valve could not fall far.

Was so easy and secure assumed that I must be doing something wrong that someone would tell me about.

Some might question how to reinstall spring and keeper if valve is resting on piston. Piece of 40 test fish line tied to valve pulls it up as needed.

LSM manufacturers a swell head on engine compressor.

Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Sxrxrnr] #2321374
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Noted! I'll do that next time.


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Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321390
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MarkZ helped me to break in my cam with the recommended single valve springs
then showed me how to change out for the double springs in car with an airline
In the spark plug hole.
I was Leary at first but after he showed me the first time the rest were super
easy and quite a bit of fun!

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I've never jeard of the rope trick. what style should i try? Also for those who have done it whose tool did you use? Im looking to order one tomorrow.


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I was always a little skeptical of the air, but once I tried it I found it WAY easier and quicker than the rope method. I've never been able to use a screw driver in car, but I'd think it would work on a small block.

Also, this is the best style of tool. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/pro-67460/overview/make/chrysler

I have that tool for big blocks and you can honestly do springs in the car in less than 2 hours pretty easily if you use compressed air.

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Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321428
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Air is good. Bring piston to TDC and apply a regulated 90 psi. You will like. It will be good.

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I have always used air all my life since the 70's. Ron

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I have also always used air and never had a problem. The rope deal works, but is more trouble than it's worth to me.
It would seem to me that if you can get a screwdriver in the spark plug hole, you should be able to get your air fitting in it?


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I made my tool out of a factory rocker arm and a short section of rocker shaft. I too use air, made my fitting out of a discarded spark plug.

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The line for a compression tester works great for an air line and fitting. Makes it easy to turn it in.

For me, I get all the rockers off, then apply the air and let the motor rotate to the bottom. Whatever the compressor has is what the cylinder gets. If it can survive fire, and whatever pressure that makes, a compressor hasn't got a chance of hurting anything. The more air pressure you can muster the less likely it is to accidentally open the valve.

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I use the line from my compression tester as well, it works great just make sure you remove the schrader valve if equipped. I learned about the valve when doing a leak down test with the same hose, two cylinders with zero leakage had me suspicious lol.

BBR one of the closet mopar guys that has a bunch of fords is a lurker here. He did the rope trick on a BBF and actually had the rope get knotted up and give him all kinds of trouble removing it.


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Originally Posted By dthemi
The line for a compression tester works great for an air line and fitting. Makes it easy to turn it in.

For me, I get all the rockers off, then apply the air and let the motor rotate to the bottom. Whatever the compressor has is what the cylinder gets. If it can survive fire, and whatever pressure that makes, a compressor hasn't got a chance of hurting anything. The more air pressure you can muster the less likely it is to accidentally open the valve.

iagree That's exactly how I've always done it.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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I forgot to add, the comp tool works great if you have the stock style rocker setup.


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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
I have also always used air and never had a problem. The rope deal works, but is more trouble than it's worth to me.
It would seem to me that if you can get a screwdriver in the spark plug hole, you should be able to get your air fitting in it?


Edy aluminum heads, E Body Challenger, TTI 2 inch, angle plugs, completely impossible from above on number 2, 4, 6. Same applies to a compression gauge,,,,screw in and rubber tipped cone fittings. If you know a method that I do not, please share. Incidentally same applied when engine had stock heads. Would love to know how to check compression on these cylinders. I posted before on this forum, this question. Received zero responses.

Also using normal sized philip screwdriver, you only need to get into 4 cylinders, not all 8 as required with air or rope technique, both of which I have used in the past. To each his own. Easily get screwdriver in 1, 3,5, 7, 8 which generally all you need,,,,as again 2 pistons will be top up simultaneously.

For me screwdriver as suggested is much quicker, definitely more secure than the risk of ever losing air pressure and having a valve fall into a cylinder,,,,sh**t happens. With piston down,,,I have seen 3 ft of rope sucked into a cylinder.

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Originally Posted By Sxrxrnr
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
I have also always used air and never had a problem. The rope deal works, but is more trouble than it's worth to me.
It would seem to me that if you can get a screwdriver in the spark plug hole, you should be able to get your air fitting in it?


Edy aluminum heads, E Body Challenger, TTI 2 inch, angle plugs, completely impossible from above on number 2, 4, 6. Same applies to a compression gauge,,,,screw in and rubber tipped cone fittings. If you know a method that I do not, please share. Incidentally same applied when engine had stock heads. Would love to know how to check compression on these cylinders. I posted before on this forum, this question. Received zero responses.

Also using normal sized philip screwdriver, you only need to get into 4 cylinders, not all 8 as required with air or rope technique, both of which I have used in the past. To each his own. Easily get screwdriver in 1, 3,5, 7, 8 which generally all you need,,,,as again 2 pistons will be top up simultaneously.

For me screwdriver as suggested is much quicker, definitely more secure than the risk of ever losing air pressure and having a valve fall into a cylinder,,,,sh**t happens. With piston down,,,I have seen 3 ft of rope sucked into a cylinder.


I've done it w/ a 440 and Edelbrock heads w/ 2" Hooker super comps, but not TTI's. Also done it w/ a 440 that had TTI 2"-2.125" step headers w/ Indy SR heads. I have no experience w/ the normal TTI headers for std. exh. ports. It just seems like the flexible compression checker hose shouldn't be a problem to get in there. Obviously that's not the case for your combo.


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: In car valve spring replacment. [Re: Scat] #2321676
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Ill probably regret asking this....... but......

I'm a little confused(not at all unusual) as to what the screwdriver does for you, especially if youre only using it in 4 holes.

If you're not using it to try and hold the valves up against the heads(pinched between the valves and pistons),you could just put each piston at TDC, then the valves could only open 3/8" or so before hitting the pistons.


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