Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/01/17 01:27 PM
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There was an article 3 or 4 years back in Mopar Action about Frank Badelson's unrestored Challenger T/A, and the rear valence hardware was one of the details they showed a picture of and details on the fasteners. When I got my car back from the experienced Mopar restoration shop that was skeptical of any input I gave on my project since they already knew everything (sarc), I found they'd mounted the valence with regular phosphate coated bolts, which didn't put a smile on my face. Frank sells a kit with the proper screws, which look the same as shown in your picture (his part number 70VAL). I replaced the bolts the shop used with the screws and washers from Frank's kit and after touching up the paint marred by the bolt heads, it looks like it should! My convertible's rear valence is mounted with the same screws and washers. I assume they used the same hardware to mount valences at both plants, obviously my cars were built at Hamtramck, not LA. Hopefully a LA expert can confirm they are same. Sorry to go OT, but since things I found done wrong on my restoration is on my mind, I found the shop painted my rear brake backing plates silver or cast iron gray, which doesn't seem right to me. I saw an NOS set not long ago that were black, were backing plates installed at the plant painted black, or are they bare steel?
Check out my car show and cruise photo albums here: Show PicsSeeking info on a Mr Norms sold T/A VIN JH23J0B308737. Does it still exist?
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Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/01/17 02:48 PM
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Thanks for the info, Mastershake. As I've been slowly restoring my Cuda, I've found that VERY few people actually know what is correct for various detail items on E-Bodies. That’s why I’ve started taking a lot of pics of unrestored 70’s so I have some evidence for what was used, and how it was applied. Very time consuming, though…
Does Frank's kit have the long sheet metal screw from the first pic with a separate washer, or the shorter screw with an attached washer? Or both? What was on your car originally?
I’ve found that LA cars used different fasteners for some of the applications on the car, which is why I’m hoping someone has a pic of an unrestored LA Cuda. The valence screws could be the same as Hamtramck, however.
Regarding the backing plates – For cars equipped with a Dana, the backing plates were grey phosphate. Not 100% sure on an 8 ¾ differential, but I have a pic of Dave Walden's 70 Challenger and they appear to be bare steel. I know these backing plates were NOS. See below.
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Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/01/17 03:57 PM
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IIRC Frank's kit had all the necessary hardware and I was very pleased with it. As to what was on my car originally, my project got stalled out over too many years, I'd started disassembling in '99, and didn't document everything as well as I should have. I do have the remains of one of the valence brackets, which was corroded and replaced, and it had one of the long screws installed in it. Thanks for the picture of Dave's backing plates. They do look natural cast iron. The resto shop painted mine with something more silver, not cast iron paint. They also didn't put any markings or paint daubs on my axle housing, and painted the pumpkin with a paint I'd call battleship gray, when I wanted it natural unpainted iron, so I really need to take the rear axle off and redo everything.
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Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/02/17 08:17 PM
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Rob,
This is off my 70 Challenger R/T built in Hamtramck. It's a V code CA car so no exhaust tips.
Don't know if it's correct as I have seen the super long screws too.
The threaded length was 3/8" and with the self tapping notch.
I'll check my collection of 70 valence brackets to see if any of those have the long screw.
Chris
Last edited by Morty426; 06/02/17 08:18 PM.
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Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/03/17 12:55 AM
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Thanks, Chris. If you could add a pic when you have time, that would help.
Rob DOPE! I forgot to add the pic
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Re: 70 Cuda Rear Valence Hardware
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06/05/17 01:18 PM
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Interesting thread! I had the same problem trying to find correct fasteners for my very original 70 Cuda I restored about 8 years ago. Looked at my old resto pictures of the car and found a picture of (I think) the long screws. I did not use them, as they seemed too long.... I thought were wrong.
Mike Those are wrong unfortunately. The correct hardware are machine screws with captured washers.
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