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Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: scottb] #2308622
05/21/17 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted By scottb
Batten did make a W2 aluminum heads witch I now think we're the start of the Indy heads


I've been thinking of buying these.. but they
are a bit pricey
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http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=23692

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2308644
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Originally Posted By MR_P_BODY
Originally Posted By scottb
Batten did make a W2 aluminum heads witch I now think we're the start of the Indy heads


I've been thinking of buying these.. but they
are a bit pricey
wave
http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/produ...mp;partid=23692


I am running the Indy 360-2 heads that Brett ported and I am very pleased with them.


1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: madscientist] #2308688
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Originally Posted By madscientist

The problem is most guys never wanted to buy the valve train and cried about what it costs. Those guys think they can make power with a stock rocker. Will never happen.


Guess it depends on the goals. My stock rocker, stock port location street engine has outran quite a few W-2 street engines. If I had Eddies, I would give Rod's heads a try, but I really don't want to give up 15 cc of port volume compared to my AIRWOLF 220s, and no, I'm not interested in an offset rocker.

The Basic numbers
RPM Torque HP
4200 507 405
4400 524 439
4600 537 470
4800 545 498
4900 547 510
5000 546 520
5200 542 536
5400 540 555
5600 535 570
5800 531 586
6000 525 600
6200 518 611
6300 512 614
6400 504 615
6500 498 616

Most guys can do the same thing my engine did with Eddies and a stout roller cam, mine is a comp flat tappet that is very nice on the street, 269/275 @.050, and 600/601 lift on a 111 lobe separation.


I could ship Iron Mike my AIRWOLF 220's, and I have a feeling he'd come back with disappointing flow numbers and dyno numbers...just think after two sets of heads, maybe the problem lies elsewhere.


"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines
Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2310961
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I agree Billy,but if his Dyno guy bolts them on...smfh

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313818
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So got our set of mw victors back from Hughes and I will say their work looks nice and did a very nice job but there advertised 400 cfm was off by a long shot compaired to what Dwayne flowed them on his bench

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: n_bogie1984] #2313858
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Originally Posted By n_bogie1984
So got our set of mw victors back from Hughes and I will say their work looks nice and did a very nice job but there advertised 400 cfm was off by a long shot compaired to what Dwayne flowed them on his bench





Musta forgot to put the spark plug in. LOL


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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27

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Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313884
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Maybe that's where the other 40 cfm went all though low end flow was impressive

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313897
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Tested on 4.375 bore, 28" test pressure, radius plate on intake:

Lift---------I/E-----w-2" tube
.100---78.6/56.1
.200--165.6/114.6
.300--234.4/164.7
.400--286.8/203.7
.500--304.8/232.4--245.7
.550--319.7/238.8--255.1
.600--334.5/246.4--261.5
.650--345.9/253.3--267.2
.700--346.7/255.1--272.9
.750--347.8/257.8--277.8
.800--350.4/260.8--280.4

Vs there advertised


355cc int port vol
Flow tests below show results from our SAENZ 680 Flow Bench

Lift Stock Intake CFM CNC'd Intake CFM CFM Gained Stock Exhaust CFM CNC'd Exhaust CFM CFM Gained
.100 74.4 79 5 63.7 77.9 14.2
.200 137.0 164 30 115.2 129.5 14.3
.300 191.7 245 43.3 167.4 183.8 16.4
.350 220.1 270 47.9 192.5 208.2 15.7
.400 247.8 300 45.2 212.5 234.7 22.2
.450 273.9 328 43.1 226.6 256.6 30
.500 293.8 351 53.2 234.6 273.8 39.2
.550 309.5 366 45.5 238.3 287.1 48.8
.600 310.7 380 65.3 241.8 296.4 54.6
.650 311.0 391 73.0 243.9 305.4 61.5
.700 316.4 397 79.6 244.9 312.4 67.5
.750 318.6 397 60.4 246.0 317.7 71.7
.800 322.0 406 86 246.7 322.4 75.7

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313898
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Happy with there work 100% just not where I exspected them to be

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313910
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Maybe benches that much diffrent I no head guy 🙄

Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: n_bogie1984] #2313922
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Originally Posted By n_bogie1984
Maybe benches that much diffrent I no head guy 🙄




It takes me about 5 minutes to check the calibration of my flowbench and I check it before every set of heads I test. If doing work for a customer I give them before and after numbers. It's not that hard to do BUT high numbers sells and most head porters don't even own a set of calibrated plates


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: how accurate is Hughes cfm charts? [Re: 79410aspenrt] #2313929
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Dwayne did state the version of mw Victor wasn't the best flowing out of the bunch think it was second gen but maybe he will chime in on that, either way I think we will see a huge improvement in hp just on paper seems like big numbers diffrence

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