Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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While I appreciate the info turbo/blower stuff is not as relevant to me. Not trying to take anything away from anyone. Hell I went 9 teens with a 474" BB with iron heads and blower at 3600lbs in the 90's. Power adders tend to "muddy" the waters for me. Hell throw a turbo on 4 cylinder and they can run really well. Don't get me wrong I appreciate the build but does not really tell me what kind of potential these things have in NA form
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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That's how I look at it too. 8.90's with a power adder is slow in my eyes. Come to the Pittsburgh area and see some 8 second no-adders.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I pretty much feel similar. We have been really fast on junk with a bottle or blower. I had a buddy who went 8.0's on a 28x10.50 with a 4.6 Mod motor with stock heads, cams and a 98mm Turbo.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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If my junk runs only runs high 8's on nitrous when and if I ever finish this project get ready for a fire sale. Lol
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Guess we need to see more timeslips. I am a visual guy and short of Dustin and Ray have not seen to many slips at all. Also what kind of money do those two have in their set ups? I am genuinely curious. FWIW I have nott seen to many cheap core engines but I am sure they are out there. We considered it for my old truck at one point and may again. https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2053593/2/actual-build-costs.htmlThis was everything including shipping costs for these parts. Aside from a few trips to the hardware store of course. Including the entire ignition system, headers etc. I could replicate the long block pretty inexpensively. Not cheap, but everything was new, and I opted for the more expensive route on things like the water pump, custom pistons, rocker hold downs, head studs etc. Ray can chime in as well, he mentions in that thread where he managed to save money.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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I don't know if it was ever run in a car or not but BES made a 712 hp 401? under 6500 RPM with one carb. Throw out the RPM limit and low speed TQ requirements of engine masters and it should not be that hard.
While a bunch are not yet retrofited in old lightweight muscle cars or race only cars they are running really impressive ET/MPH considering the 4500 Lb modern tanks that are out in mass.
Even the lowly 2008 345 HP 5.7 cop car responded really well to a real exhaust and long tube headers. It went from tire chirping to endless tire frying with zero other mods, unfortunately we have no drag strip around here to measure precise improvement on. The bigger motors with bigger heads should see similar or even bigger gains.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Guess we need to see more timeslips. I am a visual guy and short of Dustin and Ray have not seen to many slips at all. Also what kind of money do those two have in their set ups? I am genuinely curious. FWIW I have nott seen to many cheap core engines but I am sure they are out there. We considered it for my old truck at one point and may again. I bought my 426 shortblock used. Intake to pan including headers I only had 5k in the whole thing including motor plate and my front cover was machined when I went to DW 13. After DW, i pulled motor and Dan(rip) put new pistons in it $700, hone rings and bearings. And switched to a Dominator.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Some of you guys still don't get it. Most of us oldtimers are old school and can make our stuff as fast or faster BUT we know the game and how to find deals. Never and I mean never have an empty wallet when a deal comes along and be prepared to jump and not try to weasel a guy out of more money when you know it's a killer deal. Hesitation is a bad word. But deals like this are far and few for the new stuff on the market. I hope more guys switch over to gen 3's. Lol
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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QUOTE: But deals like this are far and few for the new stuff on the market.
Could be the wedge stuff had a 30+ year head start?
At least. LOL. Loving it more everyday.
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Saw a big gas 6.4 (truck engine, but has Hellcat heads, block, forged pistons) on EBay for 4500 ish (new crate engine). Add an SRT cam, springs, Arrow intake and you over 500 hp. Get wild with your cam, port the heads and your WELL over 600, approaching 700 if your cams burly enough and you bump compression. No need for bottom end work on that one
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Re: So a Friend asked me why won't you build a Gen 3 Hemi
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Thiteks are well over 400 cfm if I remember correctly. I'm guessing a 500" Gen III with Thiteks would break 900 and approach 1000 if a scienced out combo and you buzzed the piss out of it? Yes No???
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