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1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. #2270643
03/16/17 05:15 PM
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I was wondering if my research is correct regarding a 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter..that with the 4 speed only an original factory direct drive starter will fit and work with the 4 speed?
There are no other solutions?

Thanks, Wolf.

Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: Wolfe440] #2270666
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Here's a quote I found from John_Kunkel on this site
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The Hemi uses a 172 tooth flywheel while the 383/440 uses the 143 tooth flywheel; different diameters.

Also the Hemi uses a didect drive starter while the 383/440 use the gear reduction starter; different mounting pad.
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It was from a discussion on the differences in bellhousings between Hemi's and B/RB motors. Apparently, the Hemi uses a unique 8-bolt 172 tooth flywheel, a unique bellhousing and unique starter.

Here's the link:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/4817811/site_id/1

Last edited by PurpleBeeper; 03/16/17 06:09 PM.

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Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: PurpleBeeper] #2270691
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Besides the bell housing and 172 tooth flywheel, the tooth pitch is also different.

I think some of the direct drive starters from other Mopars (industrial, early manual trans slant sixes) would work if the pinion gear is changed out to one with the correct pitch.

Can't find an OEM Hemi starter? The easy solution is to go aftermarket.

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/hemi_starter.html

Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: PurpleBeeper] #2270708
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Originally Posted By PurpleBeeper
Here's a quote I found from John_Kunkel on this site
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The Hemi uses a 172 tooth flywheel while the 383/440 uses the 143 tooth flywheel; different diameters.

Also the Hemi uses a didect drive starter while the 383/440 use the gear reduction starter; different mounting pad.
-----------------------

It was from a discussion on the differences in bellhousings between Hemi's and B/RB motors. Apparently, the Hemi uses a unique 8-bolt 172 tooth flywheel, a unique bellhousing and unique starter.

Here's the link:
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/4817811/site_id/1


That explains a lot and very helpful. It probably explains why the perfectly good original bellhousing was not in the car but came with it, and the car had a different one in it. Have to look at it and see what it is. The owner passed away and his brother couldn't tell me much about any of it.
Thank you for the great response. Wolfe

Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: B5 Bee] #2270710
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Originally Posted By B5 Bee
Besides the bell housing and 172 tooth flywheel, the tooth pitch is also different.

I think some of the direct drive starters from other Mopars (industrial, early manual trans slant sixes) would work if the pinion gear is changed out to one with the correct pitch.

Can't find an OEM Hemi starter? The easy solution is to go aftermarket.

http://www.robbmcperformance.com/products/hemi_starter.html


Ok, that is one very good option. I may just go with that. Thank You! Wolfe.

Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: Wolfe440] #2270762
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Yup, specific to 66-69 4-speed cars.
I have a nice used one left over from mine, but I'd recommend the RobbMc starter; I swapped one in to replace my DD starter, and it's much better: spins more quickly, smaller, and lighter.

Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: Wolfe440] #2270766
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Try finding a starter for a 64 300 with a manual in 1988.

Nothing but gear reduction ones listed. Ended up having to get mine rebuilt.


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Re: 1969 Hemi 4 speed starter. [Re: Supercuda] #2271003
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I have the Rob mc on mine, good solution, I was hoping to use a common starter however it hits the manifolds since the bell housing is larger.
here it is installed

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