Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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I understand that they are now using a modified Mustang box as basis for Mopar's. Perhaps they got it right this time,,,,or are you already using the new box,,,was added sometime in past year or so.
Been there, done that on my EBody, including requesting a replacement box from Borgeson which had exact same problem. Got burned good by them for shipping charges on their screw up however. Finally resolved utilizing a 1/4th shim on 2 bolt side.
All is now well,,,,however one tie rod(forget which side is 3/4 inch longer than other to have box at top center. Doubt that this has any effect on drivability.
Subsequently have acquired new correct steering box mounting bolts,,,photo shows grade 8 hardware store bolts.
In my case, don't believe was sector shaft. If your steering shaft makes an angle just before entering coupler as mine did,,,,it's likely that they did not jig box correctly before welding mounting ears.
Your shaft should be a straight shot to box from firewall into Bergman coupler,,,just as with factory box.
Not to suggest that your pitman shaft could too be mis-machined.
Overall a PITA with a lot of finger pointing and replacing the box to try a new one and then replacing again to re-install their original once I decided to do the shim approach.
All is well now, do like the drive.
Also installed one in the wife's 55 TBird. Had to adapt a full size Ford Borgeson kit to T Bird as no kit for the Bird from Borgeson. A giant PITA, but worth it as TBird steering system with slave cylinders and all was so bad.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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03/08/17 12:46 AM
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having one tierod assmebly longer than the other can induce bumpsteer issues.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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Or call me for advice? Not on this board.... I appreciate that, I work during the day (Home with sick kids today) So a phone call is often hard for me. Honestly lets just do it here.... If you have some information, please share it right here on the board. That's the whole point of this thread, and these forums. Lets get this information out so others can learn. Right now I see a sector shaft that was machined incorrectly from center to master spline, and I see mounting ears that are incorrectly fixtured.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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03/11/17 12:17 PM
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No one will like this but its your own fault for using any part that is originally from ford. Ford sucks yes I'm extremely biased I HATE fords. If any of you think that the mounting ears were welded on wrong (they welded on mounting tabs to make the part fit a mopar? that's just stupid) cut them off and re position the tabs yourself. Any one who thinks ANY aftermarket hipo part will just bolt on out of the box and work like stock has not been doing this very long. good luck to you all
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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No one will like this but its your own fault for using any part that is originally from ford. Ford sucks yes I'm extremely biased I HATE fords. If any of you think that the mounting ears were welded on wrong (they welded on mounting tabs to make the part fit a mopar? that's just stupid) cut them off and re position the tabs yourself. Any one who thinks ANY aftermarket hipo part will just bolt on out of the box and work like stock has not been doing this very long. good luck to you all It's a Delphi box and design. Versions sold to various manufacturers. A similar one was Jeeps too.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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The box has about 1/2" more offset than stock...if you don't want to deal with it put a factory box in the car...I would have to think by now that it is common knowledge these boxes need a bit of tweaking to work. That reminds me that the new carb I bought needed different jets and air bleeds....
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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Anyone willing to pay Borgeson's price for a POS that doesn't fit right is not too smart. A bit of tweaking is jets, a 1/2" offset in the steering box is a design flaw. Not sure I want to learn the hard way what else they half @ssed designing this.
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Anyone willing to pay Borgeson's price for a POS that doesn't fit right is not too smart. A bit of tweaking is jets, a 1/2" offset in the steering box is a design flaw. Not sure I want to learn the hard way what else they half @ssed designing this. So you fall under the don't want to deal with it camp, so stick with the factory box, simple.
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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No one will like this but its your own fault for using any part that is originally from ford. Ford sucks yes I'm extremely biased I HATE fords. If any of you think that the mounting ears were welded on wrong (they welded on mounting tabs to make the part fit a mopar? that's just stupid) cut them off and re position the tabs yourself. Any one who thinks ANY aftermarket hipo part will just bolt on out of the box and work like stock has not been doing this very long. good luck to you all So you are not going to order a new mustang???
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Re: The Borgeson box *&$*$%# Continued!
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Anyone willing to pay Borgeson's price for a POS that doesn't fit right is not too smart. A bit of tweaking is jets, a 1/2" offset in the steering box is a design flaw. Not sure I want to learn the hard way what else they half @ssed designing this. So you fall under the don't want to deal with it camp, so stick with the factory box, simple. No, I fall under the "I don't enjoy getting bent over and dry ******" camp. But some apparently do enjoy it.
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Anyone willing to pay Borgeson's price for a POS that doesn't fit right is not too smart. A bit of tweaking is jets, a 1/2" offset in the steering box is a design flaw. Not sure I want to learn the hard way what else they half @ssed designing this. So you fall under the don't want to deal with it camp, so stick with the factory box, simple. So tell us all how much greater this Borgeson box is than a factory steer and gear or firm feel box.
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