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Turbo on a 408 #2239399
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Hey there....

It seems pretty obvious that turbos are the way to go if you want to go fast..

Would I get any good results using a turbo set up from a 5.9 cummins ?

Or if I have to go trough the whole 9 yards ?

I don't know much about turbo, that's why I'm here

I have 10.8 cr and Indy heads ported

Dan

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Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2239403
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The HX35 just isnt enough turbo for a healthy V8 gasser. Using a pair of them might get you some reasonable power though, there are just way better turboes out there better suited to a gasoline V8.


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Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: 72Swinger] #2239420
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Didn't Cummins use several different size turbos on the 5.9 CTD?
I agree on not using just one designed for a small C.I. low RPM diesel motor on a car motor on gasoline with a lot less heat in the fuel to drive the turbos. work
It is probably way better to have more boost than you really need work scope


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Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2239451
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ok....so how about 2 for a dual quad set up ?

Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2239486
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The problem with the cummins stuff is that they were designed to run a lot of boost. Most gas v8 motors aren't going to run that high. You could run two of them, but it's far from ideal.

The cost of the turbo itself is probably only 25% of your total bill to do something like this.

10.8 is pushing it, but with race has or alcohol you could do it. Not going to work very well with pump gas though.

What are your power goals? Remember it's more then just a turbo to make big power. You'll need a Trans, axle, chassis, and fuel system to keep up.

Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2239502
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ok school me

If I was to run a single 4 bbl and go from 600 hp 553 lbs tq to 650-700 lbs tq...

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Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2239968
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If you got the compression down to 9:1, you could easily achieve those numbers with a setup like I use. Magnum exhaust manifolds and a Borg Warner S475 ($650 turbo) would get you there easy. You MIGHT be able to do it with one of the cheaper Chinese knock offs, but there aren't a ton of them out there with large turbine (exhaust) sides for a motor as big as a 408". You might choke the motor on the turbo before you get where you want to go powerwise.

Poly... respectively... A 71/75 would not make 1000hp on that motor, and you can find something that would work for a lot less then $1600.

The 408" needs quite a bit more then a 75mm on the turbine side to make 1000hp, and the 71mm compressor side would be absolutely set on kill to feed a 408" to 1000hp.

If you wanted that much power, The S475 I suggested with the 75/88 would be a good choice, or if you wanted more the Borg S480 with the T6 can be had for about $850. This has a 80mm compressor, with an 88mm exducer also on the turbine... Much better match for a bigger motor looking for 1000+hp.

The borg stuff is slightly on the heavy/large size, but they are about the best bang for the buck out there, and they are about bullet proof as far as turbo's go.

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Ok.
So no turbo unit from any production vehicule would suit my need ? I have acces to cheap cheap supply of parts ! too bad......

Dizuster, my goal would be to gain at leats 150 lbs of torque....hp will come with it.
you suggest a S475?

Dan

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There are lots of big rig turbos that you could use, but nothing off a regular pickup truck.

You can't just focus on torque with a turbo motor...it might make 700ftlbs at 3500rpm, and then choke at anything above that.

You'll need a hp goal to get the rpm range, to pick the turbo.

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Ok I need 750hp

Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: dizuster] #2240388
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Originally Posted By dizuster
If you got the compression down to 9:1, you could easily achieve those numbers with a setup like I use. Magnum exhaust manifolds and a Borg Warner S475 ($650 turbo) would get you there easy. You MIGHT be able to do it with one of the cheaper Chinese knock offs, but there aren't a ton of them out there with large turbine (exhaust) sides for a motor as big as a 408". You might choke the motor on the turbo before you get where you want to go powerwise.

Poly... respectively... A 71/75 would not make 1000hp on that motor, and you can find something that would work for a lot less then $1600.

The 408" needs quite a bit more then a 75mm on the turbine side to make 1000hp, and the 71mm compressor side would be absolutely set on kill to feed a 408" to 1000hp.

If you wanted that much power, The S475 I suggested with the 75/88 would be a good choice, or if you wanted more the Borg S480 with the T6 can be had for about $850. This has a 80mm compressor, with an 88mm exducer also on the turbine... Much better match for a bigger motor looking for 1000+hp.

The borg stuff is slightly on the heavy/large size, but they are about the best bang for the buck out there, and they are about bullet proof as far as turbo's go.


What is your opinion on the VS racing 80mm turbo? It is a S480 clone.


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Not messed with a lot of turbos, but my experience with adapting diesel turbos to gas engines has not been good. The AR ratio and sizing of the turbo for the displacement of your engine is critical to make it work right. If I was to do a turbo, I would be to purchase an engineered kit, yes it is expensive, but so is blowing up engines. This article in Hot Rods gives you some idea of the issues with the cheap Chinese kits. Of course they are for a Chevy, but the idea is the same.
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/can-buy-small-block-turbo-kit-699-work/

Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: 66 Belvedere] #2240531
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Buy my s480 and I'll let you know lol


Demah just made 990whp with one on a stock bottom end 6.0

Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: Wedgeman] #2240799
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About the cheapest turbo off a factory rig would be off a Detroit. Its a Garrett TV8101. The one I had was 82mm. They will get to the 1000 hp range. Would work well on 400-500".


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Re: Turbo on a 408 [Re: HOTMOPR] #2240963
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Originally Posted By HOTMOPR
About the cheapest turbo off a factory rig would be off a Detroit. Its a Garrett TV8101. The one I had was 82mm. They will get to the 1000 hp range. Would work well on 400-500".


I actually have one of those I got from one of my customers years ago, what a heavy piece. The one I have is in pretty bad shape but it was free so I snagged it.


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TV7512 is a good diesel option too for moderate engine size power.

The thing is with the TV's is they are REALLY big/heavy, old technology, and came in LOTs of variations... so you just have to know what you're getting before buying.

Viren (VS racing) is obviously getting his stuff from overseas like other distributors, but I have to say working with him he's a very good/honest person. Not a guy I'd be afraid to buy from. His S480 knock offs are about $50-$100 cheaper then the real thing, BUT come with a billet wheel too. So it really depends how good the billet wheel is if you want to risk buying one. Really too new to tell how much better they are then a regular cast wheel S480.

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Originally Posted By dizuster


Viren (VS racing) is obviously getting his stuff from overseas like other distributors, but I have to say working with him he's a very good/honest person. Not a guy I'd be afraid to buy from. His S480 knock offs are about $50-$100 cheaper then the real thing, BUT come with a billet wheel too. So it really depends how good the billet wheel is if you want to risk buying one. Really too new to tell how much better they are then a regular cast wheel S480.

I have considered selling my single and going with a set of twins from VS was looking at the billet 78s. But I am also considering starting over with a R5 so I don't know.. lol


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Originally Posted By HOTMOPR
Originally Posted By dizuster


Viren (VS racing) is obviously getting his stuff from overseas like other distributors, but I have to say working with him he's a very good/honest person. Not a guy I'd be afraid to buy from. His S480 knock offs are about $50-$100 cheaper then the real thing, BUT come with a billet wheel too. So it really depends how good the billet wheel is if you want to risk buying one. Really too new to tell how much better they are then a regular cast wheel S480.

I have considered selling my single and going with a set of twins from VS was looking at the billet 78s. But I am also considering starting over with a R5 so I don't know.. lol



Interesting. I thought about twin S480's.




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Twin s480s with good compressor wheels are probably 2200-2500hp capable!

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