Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: madscientist]
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01/12/17 07:02 PM
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I never did figure where it took a million dollars to research a spring. A type of spring that has been around for well over a century.
It goes back to racers wanting to learn, or take the easy way. The easy way is to use SS springs etc. I bought my first 4 link in 1986 and every single person I talked to except 1, told me to run a ladder bar. The 4 link is too complicated, don't need it...all the regular bullcrap.
Glad I bought the 4 link. I had to learn. And most of what I was told back then was wrong. I seriously doubt that claim that millions worth of R&D was performed on the SS spring Got any pictures of your car? Is it a 3.31 stroke small block?
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: madscientist]
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01/12/17 08:22 PM
01/12/17 08:22 PM
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I never did figure where it took a million dollars to research a spring. A type of spring that has been around for well over a century.
It goes back to racers wanting to learn, or take the easy way. The easy way is to use SS springs etc. I bought my first 4 link in 1986 and every single person I talked to except 1, told me to run a ladder bar. The 4 link is too complicated, don't need it...all the regular bullcrap.
Glad I bought the 4 link. I had to learn. And most of what I was told back then was wrong. When I built my car long ago, I insisted on using a 4 link, despite knowing next to nothing about it. But I wanted to learn how to run one. Now, the technology and theories continue to evolve as power levels go up and I continue to listen to what smart people have to say. Bracketry has changed, geometry has changed, anti-roll bars have been developed, shocks have come along way from the days of the 90/10s. Not that I'm knocking it - I love old school - but the only reasons to use any of that old technology is for the nostalgia/old school vibe. Want to use leaf springs? Great. Use something current for a serious effort.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: GTS340]
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01/12/17 09:24 PM
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crabman173
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I never did figure where it took a million dollars to research a spring. A type of spring that has been around for well over a century.
It goes back to racers wanting to learn, or take the easy way. The easy way is to use SS springs etc. I bought my first 4 link in 1986 and every single person I talked to except 1, told me to run a ladder bar. The 4 link is too complicated, don't need it...all the regular bullcrap.
Glad I bought the 4 link. I had to learn. And most of what I was told back then was wrong. I seriously doubt that claim that millions worth of R&D was performed on the SS spring Got any pictures of your car? Is it a 3.31 stroke small block? For your information that Duster was sold about 14 years ago--I had hurt my lower back and there was a $20K footbrake race at Piedmont Dragway in Greensboro NC --so I hired Herb Jr to drive it that week end--well...after it ran 6 laps of 6.91 in a row ( can't remember but 60 ft right around 1.42)Herb Sr and the boys approached me and said they wanted the car---Took about two minutes to hash out a deal then they paid me cash on the spot and I loaned them my trailer to get it home--they raced it for a long time after that--plain old car--simple stock 36o with X heads and a small solid, dual plane intake, etc nothing special under the hood but..car was a winner! That puts me on a damn short list of folks that have sold a McCandless a drag car pal Oh yea--perceptive of you-- I am building a 347 at this minute , using a Mexican 302 block --Ford guys think they are like the "230" 400 blocks we love so much so it makes selling one easy as pie Like Rodney king said--"can't we all just get along?"
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Re: Super Stock Springs
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01/14/17 01:26 PM
01/14/17 01:26 PM
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Great story about your dad Monte! I admire and respect guys like you that have cool old stories to tell from the good ole days.Those are getting harder to come by anymore. My grandpa worked for Kendall Oil for 30 years until he retired and died shortly after and the stories he told I was too young to appreciate and would love to have had him around longer to tell many more. I really think the "Magic" in the SS springs is the fact you could directly bolt them in and have success. I have the 002/003 bolted in my car with no other mods and they work! For me anyways!! Take care and keep up what you are doing!!
416 stroker from Nick at Compu-flow. 11.14 in full street trim. Seems like a new best every time out. 11.06 open headers----so far!!
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: CMcAllister]
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01/14/17 03:34 PM
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I never did figure where it took a million dollars to research a spring. A type of spring that has been around for well over a century.
It goes back to racers wanting to learn, or take the easy way. The easy way is to use SS springs etc. I bought my first 4 link in 1986 and every single person I talked to except 1, told me to run a ladder bar. The 4 link is too complicated, don't need it...all the regular bullcrap.
Glad I bought the 4 link. I had to learn. And most of what I was told back then was wrong. When I built my car long ago, I insisted on using a 4 link, despite knowing next to nothing about it. But I wanted to learn how to run one. Now, the technology and theories continue to evolve as power levels go up and I continue to listen to what smart people have to say. Bracketry has changed, geometry has changed, anti-roll bars have been developed, shocks have come along way from the days of the 90/10s. Not that I'm knocking it - I love old school - but the only reasons to use any of that old technology is for the nostalgia/old school vibe. Want to use leaf springs? Great. Use something current for a serious effort. there's guys in the 6's on Radials with leaf springs. I'd say that's a pretty serious effort.
526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: Spaceman Spiff]
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01/14/17 08:59 PM
01/14/17 08:59 PM
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A few buddies and myself went to a swap meet then had lunch(a few beers).. during our talks the SS spring came up... WITH a snubber.. I was laughing at my buddy and said trash the snubber.. but of course he said it works.. then when I asked WHY it worked.. and he said his piece.. then I asked.. isnt that just fixing a weak spring issue.. and he had his little spiel of why.. again.. so WHAT was it correcting for... and finally after a good talk he FINALLY said it was correcting a weak spring... if the SPRING is doing its FULL job a snubber will NEVER be needed.... think a ladder bar which is just a SOLID front section.. the body will have a TON of lift if the shocks dont control it
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/14/17 10:15 PM
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crabman173
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We never ever ran a snubber When SS springs are working the car body separates from the springs and you could observer the 'rise" as distance between the body and the top of the tire grew larger upon launch a snubber was used when they used a four speed, side stepping the clutch at some zillion RPM's and the deal was so violent that it would kick the back seat cushion out--THAT was when they thought of snubbers SOON afterward it got better fast BUT the snubber continued to be top seller easy to make so...duh keep on selling them not hard to understand Do you need one?/ Heck NO!!! Do they sell??Sure! so duh......
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Re: Super Stock Springs
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01/14/17 10:24 PM
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Maybe we can get one at the junk yard while we are there gathering up parts to make our leaf springs. LOL
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/14/17 10:33 PM
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Maybe we can get one at the junk yard while we are there gathering up parts to make our leaf springs. LOL Keep looking for the BETTER spring parts and FORGET the STUPID snubber... if you want a bandaid then use the stupid snubber... it was designed for WORN OUT SPRINGS so it could BANG on your floor pan
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: Sport440]
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01/14/17 10:49 PM
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No Doubt about it! The SS Springs Do have there place, Thicker/ Magical; or whatever reasoning you want to use. They Work and are cheap. They Have there Place, Period........ Understand its NOT a fix all to all cars.. if they flex its not doing its job PROPERLY and it might need a STIFFER front segment.. be it a ladder bar or another style of suspension
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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01/14/17 11:04 PM
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No Doubt about it! The SS Springs Do have there place, Thicker/ Magical; or whatever reasoning you want to use. They Work and are cheap. They Have there Place, Period........ Understand its NOT a fix all to all cars.. if they flex its not doing its job PROPERLY and it might need a STIFFER front segment.. be it a ladder bar or another style of suspension Absolutely, Hence the Quote. {They Have there Place Period...} Any Who disagree are subject to a attack of my 8 fingers and even maybe some thumb action.
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: Sport440]
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01/15/17 12:21 PM
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after 14 pages, No Magic, if they worked, then great. if Not then oh well! cal tracs,ladder bars,4 link came along for a reason.always believed every car was different. et's n mph's prove this theory. along with driving skills! its great every man has his opinion. OK Monte how bout 4 speed vs auto thread?
Hell Hath No Fury Like Mine
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: 70dusterjohn]
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01/15/17 01:59 PM
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Well I don't mind being bashed lol, my brothers demon with me driving has been 8.56 best .. Would go 1.24-1.34 60 bounced all over the place. We switched to cal tracs car runs the same maybe a bit better but it doesn't feel like I'm riding a fence post down the track now lol.. Many ways to get to Cleveland one way is no better than the other.. That's quick, do you have a photo of the Demon John?
1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual
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Re: Super Stock Springs
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/15/17 02:27 PM
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I think so, it's on the lab top but I'm stuck at work this wonderful day lol I can dig one up for you though bob ..
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